Pillion grab strap?

[GravelRashKid]

Yes the bitch bar or hands on hips is fine for most of the time (I prefer hands on hips, as you have a better feel for the unexpected).
On occasion we (very much a rider/pillion unit) will ride fairly hard. This riding style (both sliding and both dropping the knee) makes very good use of the handle (as pictured in the 1st post (less the riding position, lol)).
My bike is a sports tourer. A true sports bike isn't designed for a pillion at all.
We considered the straps, but figure this would only create more of a disconnect and delay between rider/bike/pillion.

[nzspokes]

GravelRashKid. Yes it works very well for them, he consistently scrapes pegs in the corners when riding with a pillion.

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

[GravelRashKid]

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

Lol, yeah that's the reason.

[nzspokes]

Lol, yeah that's the reason.

Yes it will be. My old Hornet would drag bits until the suspension was sorted. My current bike has had the suspension sorted and is great 2 up, I just add a few turns of preload.

[Gremlin]

Lol, yeah that's the reason.

I think you're sarcastic? I'll run with that... spokes has a very good point

Even with my Ohlins in the BMW, I could predict when 2up, I would touch stands down mid corner, to the point I had to alter my approach to the corner to stop it happening. Last service, I spoke to Rob about it and he put a stiffer spring in the rear... just need an opportunity to test it properly, but I very rarely scrape it now. I was worried with OEM suspension I would lose most of the stands through grinding them away...

[nzspokes]

I think you're sarcastic? I'll run with that... spokes has a very good point

Even with my Ohlins in the BMW, I could predict when 2up, I would touch stands down mid corner, to the point I had to alter my approach to the corner to stop it happening. Last service, I spoke to Rob about it and he put a stiffer spring in the rear... just need an opportunity to test it properly, but I very rarely scrape it now. I was worried with OEM suspension I would lose most of the stands through grinding them away...

I rode with a guy on an old bike, he thought he was a hero as he had ground his pegs down. But watching him mid turn you could see the bike wallow due to a light spring and un-serviced shocks.

[haydes55]

I rode with a guy on an old bike, he thought he was a hero as he had ground his pegs down. But watching him mid turn you could see the bike wallow due to a light spring and un-serviced shocks.

Chicken strips and ground pegs would be a telltale sign. My suspension was the opposite, rebound was too stiff, but preload was about right. Still caused the pegs to scrape when I hit a bump mid corner and the rear pogo stick (shock) rebounded too quick, caused the back to slide out and the peg to hit down. I had scrape marks in my chicken strips that day (and brown marks elsewhere).

[scumdog]

also, sitting way too far back.

Meh, that's the normal set-up with sprotsbike pillions....

[Maha]

Chicken strips and ground pegs would be a telltale sign. My suspension was the opposite, rebound was too stiff, but preload was about right. Still caused the pegs to scrape when I hit a bump mid corner and the rear pogo stick (shock) rebounded too quick, caused the back to slide out and the peg to hit down. I had scrape marks in my chicken strips that day (and brown marks elsewhere).

Given that this is a thread about a pillion accessory, no amount of rear shock adjustment (when adding an extra 60-70kgs to the rear) will make a bike handle better, if said rear shock is passed it's used by date. The wallowing effect due to flogged out suspension (as spokes pointed out) will give the impression that you are over more than you think, by momentarily touching the road rather than a sustained scrape.

[Juniper]

I would be getting the suspension looked at then.

I have a feeling Mark Waters redid the suspension on Tigger to cater for the extra weight. Some thingies were put in the front and some adjusting and stuff was done to the rear while I had to sit on it to get it right.

The pillion could probably do with loosing some of those extra kg's which could fix the problem.

[nzspokes]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

[pritch]

momentarily touching the road rather than a sustained scrape.

There's no scrape like a sustained scrape. One day I stood at the top of the hill on the Akaroa road admiring the view, as you do, and a big block Harley came back up the hill. He gave new meaning to the phrase "sustained scrape".

[GravelRashKid]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

I think you can stop there my friend. No-one but you has said or implied any of the following:
a) That the suspension work was done in a carpark,
b) That I think our riding style is "cool",
c) That the lean angle of my bike while 2-up is attributed to wallowing.
There are very few stretches of road in which we have the confidence, to take our riding to 90% like this. 2-up on a track would be ideal.

The point of our contribution to this thread, was that we believe the tank mounted pillion handle is a brilliant system.

[Banditbandit]

[Maha]

A fix done in a carpark is not a fix. It may be an improvement but it still sounds dangerous. It should not be grounding pegs 2up. It may seem cool but I wouldn't ride it like that. Even worse it this is happening on the road.

Mark is no slouch when it comes to all things motorcycling and would often tweak/correct things on bikes when asked on our Cape rides, he's good like that. In saying that, even he can only do so much to 'old' gear to alleviate any concern by the rider. He is staying here for a few days soon. Adding some thingies aka oil & spacers and making an adjustment for rider/pillion sag to the rear bit is possibly all it got.

There's no scrape like a sustained scrape. One day I stood at the top of the hill on the Akaroa road admiring the view, as you do, and a big block Harley came back up the hill. He gave new meaning to the phrase "sustained scrape".

Low centre of gravity etc....probably the best bikes ever to make touchdown, pipes first?