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    Same sort of crap in ODT today!


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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Every time I mutter-grumble-buggerit about journalistic license in regard to reporting RTAs as "Motorcycle collides with (insert inanimate or piloted object here)" related despite that being simple conjecture and pointing out the it implies blame...
    You actually still read teh news?

    After how many years of analysis of articles from the perspective of one with personal knowledge of the incident reported?

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    You actually still read teh news?
    Not really. I go there for the vapid witterings encapsulated by the "Essential Mums" (because Dads are inessential) sub-site so I can marvel at how there is more expectaion of responsible behaviour in owning a goldfish than having a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Not really. I go there for the vapid witterings encapsulated by the "Essential Mums" (because Dads are inessential) sub-site so I can marvel at how there is more expectaion of responsible behaviour in owning a goldfish than having a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Every time I mutter-grumble-buggerit about journalistic license in regard to reporting RTAs as "Motorcycle collides with (insert inanimate or piloted object here)" related despite that being simple conjecture and pointing out the it implies blame, a BRONZ executive member will tell to wind my head in.

    I already knew you were an engineer.
    In the journalist world the phrase using "collides with" does not apportion blame ... that's why journalists use it - if they use 'hits', or other words which do apportion blame, they are open to libel charges if it is proven that it was someone else's fault ... In this case, if the story said "car hits scooter" then the journalists could be sued for libel - if no charges are laid then the journalists can be sued. If, in the future, it is proven that it was the scooter rider's fault then the journalists can be sued ...

    if they use "collides with' they are not apportioning blame .. and can't be open to libel charges ... "collides" does not involve any action other than a collision occurred and does not imply causality, and therefore blame. "Hits" implies causality on the part of the subject ... and therefore blame.

    "collides with" only appears to apportion blame because, grammatically speaking, the subject of the sentence is in the active position and the object is in a passive position of the sentence ... but in reality no causality is implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    In the journalist world the phrase using "collides with" does not apportion blame ... that's why journalists use it - if they use 'hits', or other words which do apportion blame, they are open to libel charges if it is proven that it was someone else's fault ... In this case, if the story said "car hits scooter" then the journalists could be sued for libel - if no charges are laid then the journalists can be sued. If, in the future, it is proven that it was the scooter rider's fault then the journalists can be sued ...

    if they use "collides with' they are not apportioning blame .. and can't be open to libel charges ... "collides" does not involve any action other than a collision occurred and does not imply causality, and therefore blame. "Hits" implies causality on the part of the subject ... and therefore blame.

    "collides with" only appears to apportion blame because, grammatically speaking, the subject of the sentence is in the active position and the object is in a passive position of the sentence ... but in reality no causality is implied.
    Utterly wrong when the common usage is to always state that the motorcycle collided with something else. 98% of two or more vehicle accidents involving a motorcycle state that the motorcycle collided with the van, car, bus, cyclist, pedestrian, etc. I sick of pointing that out. I also didn't need the lecture about libel. I was pointing out a completely different issue and I understand the mechanism behind the phrasing to avoid libel issues, however the mechanism has been perverted to consistently paint motorcyclists as implicitly at fault in all collisions they are involved in.

    The correct usage in your example is a "Motorcyle and a Car collided". Not "a motorcycle collided with". It is not splitting hairs. It is a clear breach of journalistic principles. For instance my motorcycle did not collide with a sheep. I did. It was still reported as "Motorcycle collides with sheep". The sheep didn't touch the fucking bike. The bike fell over after the rider had been removed from the bike by a sheep that was at least a metre and half in the air.
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    "Stuff" is a NEWS site?


    I thought it was a 4th level gossip site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemad View Post
    if the car was on the green as reported in the link then yes...........the bike collided with the car...........so henry....are you privey to some other info to the contrary?......or just chasing ambulances.........
    It doesn't much matter I they had a green or not. They are still required to confirm the way is clear before proceeding if they were previously stopped for red.


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    Assaulting an off duty police officer with a deadly weapon or just failing to give way?


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    The person who did it is just Mrs Average. Most crashes are not caused by gang members, boy racers or hoodie wearers. Most crashes are just caused by a fundamental human error by Mr or Mrs Average.

    As in this case.

    Trouble is, how do we get Mr and Mrs Average to realize that is us who are the problem?

    If Mr and Mrs Average would just increase their awareness, so much fecking pain and suffering would be avoided.

    Still, that's a big mountain to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/63578...ed-on-SI-roads

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    Worry not Citizen. The charges are being considered.

    BTW stitches and bruising later, she's at home recovering. Thank God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Utterly wrong when the common usage is to always state that the motorcycle collided with something else. 98% of two or more vehicle accidents involving a motorcycle state that the motorcycle collided with the van, car, bus, cyclist, pedestrian, etc. I sick of pointing that out. I also didn't need the lecture about libel. I was pointing out a completely different issue and I understand the mechanism behind the phrasing to avoid libel issues, however the mechanism has been perverted to consistently paint motorcyclists as implicitly at fault in all collisions they are involved in.

    The correct usage in your example is a "Motorcyle and a Car collided". Not "a motorcycle collided with". It is not splitting hairs. It is a clear breach of journalistic principles. For instance my motorcycle did not collide with a sheep. I did. It was still reported as "Motorcycle collides with sheep". The sheep didn't touch the fucking bike. The bike fell over after the rider had been removed from the bike by a sheep that was at least a metre and half in the air.
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