"Lest we forget"

[Big Dog]

I have laid my life on the line against superior might and numbers in the name of defending the defenceless.

Just not in uniform, in an official capacity or overseas. Fortunately my intervention has always been enough to deter said bullies. Be they men in patches or boys who think they are OG's or a football team on the grog, make no mistake many who initiate violence on few are bullies.

Each time I have been unarmed. Not always the case for the groups I was standing up to. On at least one occasion i firmly believe they were intent on killing the person they were beating the crap out of. They certainly had the means to kill or maim me if they so chose.

I see no reason an appropriately authorised deputation should not do similar on a national or international stage.

I do think that if the information that leads to an invasion is false there needs to be an investigation.

If it turns out the public were deliberately misled and lives were lost the perpetrators should be charged with either war crimes or treason.

I would support defending a threat such as was posed by the Nazi regime during WWII to the point of standing shoulder to shoulder with any opposing force even though as a general philosophy I regard myself a pacifist.



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[TheDemonLord]

"You must spread some STDs around before giving it to Big Dog again."

[Big Dog]

Question for the assembled war mongers, conscientious objectors and those in between. With http://www.3news.co.nz/world/hostage...ney-2014121512 how do we defend our borders from an invisible invasion?


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[Ocean1]

Question for the assembled war mongers, conscientious objectors and those in between. With http://www.3news.co.nz/world/hostage...ney-2014121512 how do we defend our borders from an invisible invasion?

Same way you defend your people from any enemy: make sure it costs them more than it's worth.

In the case of hostages you kill the offenders at the earliest chance consistent with minimising casualties. You don't talk to them and you certainly don't negotiate.

[FJRider]

how do we defend our borders from an invisible invasion?


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Let the Police take the shot.


No court case costing $$$$$$$$$$$$ ...


Suicide by Cop. How many would offer to pay for the bullet ... ???

[oldrider]

Same way you defend your people from any enemy: make sure it costs them more than it's worth.

In the case of hostages you kill the offenders at the earliest chance consistent with minimising casualties. You don't talk to them and you certainly don't negotiate.

Like the police sergeant at Aromoana -- he did it by the book meanwhile Gray shot him! ... MHO shoot first then read their rights asap!

[Big Dog]

Personally i think anyone taking hostages or commiting a violent crime has voided their human rights until the event is over and they no longer offer a threat.

Double taps should be the only negotiations.

If I were a hostage I'd rather know the cavalry is coming, I might die today but the terrorists will.


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[TheDemonLord]

They need to do this:

[mashman]

They need to do this:

Why? lashing out in fear eh

[Big Dog]

Because if all terrorists got dead with no real negotiations and no media platform terrorism would cease to be a valid political platform.

Wether he has the support of the official groups of terrorists or not is irrelevant. 1 man got several hours of air time across the world without a single shot fired. Just fear.

For all we know he bough some
Black material and white paint, about $10.
A air rifle that is a replica of the real thing, $45-450.
And a back pack $45.

All up it has cost under $500 to bring a major city to a stand still, gained him air time that would cost millions any other way and spread terror around the parts of the world that supported an armed response to IS. Not to mention an armed response that is costing the Australian govt thousands per hour.


Until this stops being the return on investment this is likely to continue.


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[Big Dog]

Because he survived Anders Brevick (sp?) is a household name. And will be again every time he trundles off to court for the next 30 years.

One 50 cal to the forehead and there would be some bad publicity for the police about executing a deranged lunatic without the benefit of a trial but he would be gone from the public consciousness by now.


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[TheDemonLord]

Why? lashing out in fear eh

Nope, but just like a Vet putting down a dog with Rabies, We send in the SAS to put down Fanatics with Firearms.

[mashman]

Nope, but just like a Vet putting down a dog with Rabies, We send in the SAS to put down Fanatics with Firearms.

And who decides who is a fanatic? Govts that created the fanatics in the first place? Oh ironing.

[TheDemonLord]

And who decides who is a fanatic? Govts that created the fanatics in the first place? Oh ironing.

People that walk into coffee shops and take people hostages seems a good place to start for a definition of 'fanatic'

[bluninja]