Advice for fighting an Infringement Notice - for not putting my foot down?

[pritch]

How can a cop say with honesty that he could even see if I put my foot down??
I went back down to where the cop was parked - and it was far too far away to see if I put my foot down, he couldn't even see the left hand side of the bike, the rail lines are raised which makes his view and subsequent statement a load of bollocks
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Those pics look as if they might be taken from too high a viewpoint, it might be better if the shot was from about the level the cops head would have been when he was sitting in the car. Take four or five copies to court, if there is going to be a discussion the JPs will want all concerned to be able to see what is being discussed.

[G4L4XY]

This whole thread has had me asking myself "shit do you have to stop at railway crossings?" When I was in Ngaruawahia yesterday I was walking past the railway crossing and there were no stop signs and no vehicles were stopping. So I thought well what about ones with no bells/arms. Anyway by the time I jump back on here I see some pics up (and I've google imaged the area myself) and lo and behold there is a stop sign!
If you stopped without putting your foot down so what? You stopped and he admitted you stopped LOL I hope you get off it!

[jasonu]

Those pics look as if they might be taken from too high a viewpoint, it might be better if the shot was from about the level the cops head would have been when he was sitting in the car. Take four or five copies to court, if there is going to be a discussion the JPs will want all concerned to be able to see what is being discussed.

There won't be a discussion. The judge will side with the pigs and add some court fees for wasting his time.

[pritch]

There won't be a discussion. The judge will side with the pigs and add some court fees for wasting his time.

Indeed that is the most likely scenario, and knowing he has to appear the officer may embellish his evidence, wouldn't be the first time.
(And there speaks the voice of sad experience.)

The last time I fronted up to argue the point complete with drawings though the charge was dismissed. Mind you, at one point a JP referred to me as "This gentleman."
I must be getting old.

[Oakie]

So I've spent the last two commuting days seeing how easy it is to come to a complete and proper stop and then looking both ways while balanced to do a traffic check. Yeah, can be done but so much easier just to put a foot down. Don't know why you wouldn't take the easier route unless you're either showing off or ... not actually coming to a proper stop long enough to do the check while stationary. OK, flame away....

[Berries]

Just because you can't do it...............

I tried it once. As I began to lose balance I put my foot down slowly and got my jeans caught on the foot peg. Went down like a sack of shit.

[TLDV8]

I go to court on the 24th December for failing to stop at a rail crossing

turning off Ruakura Rd on to Holland Rd, pulled up and stopped at the rail crossing then continued over (no trains coming)
Pulled over 200 meters up the road by Police - they asked if I stopped, I said I did
He asked if I put my foot down when I stopped ......... I thought for a moment then replied "I don't think so"

Indecision.
Why did you say "I don't think so" , you forgot in 200 metres ?
You were done right there and in court it will be the same.


Did you stop, yes.
Did you put your foot down, yes. (The picture suggests they couldn't confirm that anyway)

Is that lying, not in the logic sense.
To any non motorcyclist not putting your foot down to steady the bike while you observe both to the left and right means you did not stop.

It would have made no difference if you were 'Crunchy the Clown on a unicycle and balanced there for a minute.

Good luck anyway but think the indecision straight off the bat will be the decider.

Far from New Zealand but this makes me rethink my stop and goes (no foot down or sometimes dab) at some intersections.

[jasonu]

Far from New Zealand but this makes me rethink my stop and goes (no foot down or sometimes dab) at some intersections.

Not that far.

[bluninja]

So I've spent the last two commuting days seeing how easy it is to come to a complete and proper stop and then looking both ways while balanced to do a traffic check. Yeah, can be done but so much easier just to put a foot down. Don't know why you wouldn't take the easier route unless you're either showing off or ... not actually coming to a proper stop long enough to do the check while stationary. OK, flame away....

Like all things riding; it's about skill, machinery, conditions and personal preference. I prefer to keep my feet on the pegs unless I'm stopping to get off or stretching my legs.

Just a question on approaching stop signs. Do you ride up to the stop sign and brake quickly to a stop before checking all is clear and then moving off? Or do you slow down making observations like for a give way, stop, look, and if clear move off?

Seems to me that if you slowed rapidly to a stop, checked and then set off, it would be more noticeable than if you had come to a stop gradually and then set off. Also there's no benefit in time in gradually slowing as you have to come to a complete stop before checking the way is clear.

[Oakie]

Just a question on approaching stop signs. Do you ride up to the stop sign and brake quickly to a stop before checking all is clear and then moving off? Or do you slow down making observations like for a give way, stop, look, and if clear move off?.

I'll do either depending on circumstances and my mood.

[speights_bud]

Soo what happened....?

[Akzle]

Just because you can't do it...............

I tried it once. As I began to lose balance I put my foot down slowly and got my jeans caught on the foot peg. Went down like a sack of shit.

sack of shit is as sack of shit does

[Berries]

All that was missing from this thread was the current KB post whore.


Welcome.

[mossy1200]

Not so long ago if I was at that crossing I would have been pulled for doing a jump.

Popo was watching crossing hoping to see some jumps and you were disappointing so got a ticket.

When go to court explain if you stop but are balanced at the time don't bother grounding a foot unless necessary. That's how I ride unless im looking forward to a stretch after a few in the saddle.
Also if he was driving and not parked theres is no way he could judge a complete stop from that angle while travelling.

[bsasuper]

Years ago I got ticketed for the same thing, PoPo said I didn't stop because I didn't put foot down, I said I can balance at a stop without putting foot down, PoPo said I don't think you are that good. After he wrote out ticket I explained what it was on my helmet (the first gopro on the market), and that courts work on facts on assumptions. The ticket was withdrawn before the court date.