Obesity. A win for the PC brigade?

**FJRider** · 21st December 2014, 16:47

I don't think there IS an issue ... This "Report" goes on to say ...

It stops short, however, of declaring obesity to be a protected characteristic against which all discrimination is prohibited.

Fat lazy pricks will always be fat lazy pricks ....

But .... being the free country NZ is ... being a fat lazy prick is a choice we ALL have ...

I however ..... I ... do NOT choose such ...

Those that Do choose such ... expect the inevitable problems of/with health and employment ...

**Waihou Thumper** · 21st December 2014, 17:02

Originally Posted by awa355

If this carry on becomes part of NZ culture, (the fat is a disability factor, not the fatties), will this mean the FBMC rides can be classed as 'Charity' rides?? , sponsored by HD of course.

Nice photo...
Can you tell me where I can buy jeans that size? Draggin won't help me. They say we only make these sizes for the USA? I mean WTF?

**Edbear** · 21st December 2014, 18:53

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

It's a shame that anything consumed in moderation that,in itself, isn't bad for you (ciggies excluded) is ripe for over indulgence by some then everyone ends up paying the price. Having said that a person who is a "fatty" isn't necessarily a huge consumer of food or sugar or booze or whatever. Ends up being tricky though making the call as to what's a personal overindulgence (the person who pigs out on junk food and sugar loaded drinks) and what is now being classed as "addiction", "hormone imbalance", or any other fancy pseudo medical name.

Oh, btw, it's "Who's Next" as in who is next. Sorry, my addiction to correcting poor grammar is surely based on some medical issue I have...

"You must spread..."

While it may offend some people, obesity is a personal choice. I suffer from a chronic illness that is 50% fatal if untreated and symptoms include obesity and round, (moon), face. It is also a muscle-wasting disease.

At the time of my accident I was knocking on the door of 100 kg, but two weeks on a drip and I was down to 85kg. I have gradually regained 5kg but that is purely due to a lack of self-control. I know I can lose it again should I decide to.

Weight gain is always a case of consuming more energy than you use. Some illnesses or medications can make you prone to weight gain but it is always manageable. Another symptom of my illness is that it affects the body's metabolism so I do watch what I eat and take supplements that help.

My weight has remained stable now for over 2 years.

**Big Dog** · 21st December 2014, 19:50

If I focus on my weight I can get down to 120.
Pretty miserable existence though. It involves dietary habits not recommended by professionals and exercise beyond levels that also allow me to work.

I don't eat for pleasure very often. Most days I eat less than the calories generally recommended or a person my size.

My doctor, and a food professional agree my food vs exercise isn't the issue.

Apparently it comes down to the results of my head injury.

My weight can fluctuate by 15 kgs in 10 days without significant change

Take heart Edbear. My weight has been unstable for 25 years and counting.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**Edbear** · 21st December 2014, 20:15

Originally Posted by Big Dog

If I focus on my weight I can get down to 120.
Pretty miserable existence though. It involves dietary habits not recommended by professionals and exercise beyond levels that also allow me to work.

I don't eat for pleasure very often. Most days I eat less than the calories generally recommended or a person my size.

My doctor, and a food professional agree my food vs exercise isn't the issue.

Apparently it comes down to the results of my head injury.

My weight can fluctuate by 15 kgs in 10 days without significant change

Take heart Edbear. My weight has been unstable for 25 years and counting.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

That is intriguing, I would like to know more. Rapid weight fluctuations is not what you would get from energy consumption.

**Tazz** · 21st December 2014, 21:50

Originally Posted by awa355

If this carry on becomes part of NZ culture, (the fat is a disability factor, not the fatties), will this mean the FBMC rides can be classed as 'Charity' rides?? , sponsored by HD of course.

Bad arse.

**Brett** · 21st December 2014, 22:13

I can't actually understand who the fuck would actually let themselves get into that state. It's called moderation and exercise muppets. Do fatties think that it is any easier for the rest of us? I have just spent 2 1/2 months only able to limp walk thanks to a tree not giving way to me at Woodhill at 60kph. pretty narly crash that left me a bit fucked up really. Badly damaged right leg, right arm, both elbows, left shoulder and perforated ear drum. But, I have worked up from not being able to walk to this weekend running 2.5kms, doing 50+ chin ups, 15 mins of core exercises and 15 mins of back exercise. By early next year I will be back to fully fighting fit, plan on completed an Iron Man in the next 18 months.
Don't tell me that some cunt can't get off his arse and start with a 100m waddle and work up from there. Never said it would be easy, but hey...gotta start. Some folk just don't appear to have the necessary motivation.

**Tazz** · 21st December 2014, 22:26

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Having said that a person who is a "fatty" isn't necessarily a huge consumer of food or sugar or booze or whatever.

True, but if you don't have a natural ability at cross country running you won't get sympathy for meandering down to the nearest rocky river, breaking your ankles and having a whinge about the resulting health problems (or maybe you will if you do it on the bosses dollar without a helmet

), should be the same if you trash your body with shit and expect it to be roses once you decide to do something about it. Also what is up with people expecting to lose it in 1/20th the time it took to gain it?

Weight can be a very personal thing though so it all (well some

) turns to crap through people not looking at it pragmatically enough.

Would like to think if I turned into more of a walking whale I sure as hell wouldn't be blaming illnesses that occurred years after eating and treating my body like crap or be looking for special treatment because of it, unless some runt ate all my pies.

Also I quoted that because I had a flatmate who really struggled. She'd exercise hard out for two months, then would have a relapse because things weren't happening fast enough and all the while she drunk 0 booze and ate great food, just a bit too much sometimes, but it was also into a body that had been way to big for over a decade. 10 years of not caring for 2 months effort expecting miracles? When is life ever that easy

10 years on from that her tiny knees are fawked from her weight, she's bigger than ever and kinda stuck that way but she made those bad calls to lead her to that sadly.

**Big Dog** · 21st December 2014, 23:02

Originally Posted by Edbear

That is intriguing, I would like to know more. Rapid weight fluctuations is not what you would get from energy consumption.

Hormone production is inconsistent.
A bit like having a short cycle period.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**jasonu** · 22nd December 2014, 04:51

Originally Posted by Edbear

"You must spread..."

While it may offend some people, obesity is a personal choice..

Yes it can be a personal choice.
What grinds my gears is when some fat cunt (who is fat because he/she ate 10 big macks a day for 30 years and did no exercise) becomes some sort of welfare recipient because they are too fat and or unhealthy to hold a proper job. Now the tax payer is paying for their shitty life decisions.

**nzspokes** · 22nd December 2014, 05:53

There are so many excuses. Always makes me laugh. Its very simple. You eat to much of the wrong food and you get fat. Fill your food with sugar you get fat.

Im fat, least I know why.

**bluninja** · 22nd December 2014, 07:36

Originally Posted by Edbear

Weight gain is always a case of consuming more energy than you use. Some illnesses or medications can make you prone to weight gain but it is always manageable. Another symptom of my illness is that it affects the body's metabolism so I do watch what I eat and take supplements that help.

My weight has remained stable now for over 2 years.

This is as bad as the indoctrination of "speed kills" and utter bollox. Applying a physics principle (first law of thermodynamics) to a biological organism is doomed to failure; and probably why so many people are becoming obese. In order to balance your intake and output you'd have to be able to control your exercise (and moving around) very precisely, and your food intake to within about a spoon of sugar of calories a day, every day.

As an exercise I changed the food I ate in 2013 removing carbs and sugar. I doubled my calorific intake and left my output (work/exercise) unchanged. According to your rubbish I would have ballooned; instead I lost 1 kg per week. I then returned to my "normal" diet and over a period my weight returned to as it was before. This year I increased my exercise and went without carbs and sugar and lost 16 kg. I then became ill for many months and was put on steroids....I put on 2kg a week whilst on the steroids with the same eating that was losing me weight before the steroids!

I have now returned to my sugar addiction, and stopped the steroids and my weight has returned to "normal".

**bluninja** · 22nd December 2014, 07:39

Originally Posted by nzspokes

There are so many excuses. Always makes me laugh. Its very simple. You eat to much of the wrong food and you get fat. Fill your food with sugar you get fat.

Im fat, least I know why.

Pretty much that......