Originally Posted by
mstriumph
I have deliberately refrained from dragging anyone else's views into this on the basis of, if they are critical of your posts they don't modify my own views of you one way or the other and, if critical of mine, I'm not bothered...
suggest you do the same
ponder the possibility that your 'naive and simplistic' may actually be subtle beyond your understanding ...
i've looked at your posts from that viewpoint ... and dismissed the idea
abandon your arrogance and allow the possibility that it's possible that you don't know it all
In any event, I found it's pointless trying to teach my dog to crochet, he has no aptitude for the practice or understanding of the concept. That seems more universally applicable than I thought.
My views on your ideas have no bearing my views of you as a person (you are not your opinions, though your opinions are part of you) - however pointing out that others have found the same flaws in your arguments is a perfectly acceptable debating tactic (an extension of Peer Review)
Suppose, I agree, it is subtle beyond my understanding - what then when subtle doesn't work? Subtle works on those perceptive enough to pick up on it and those weak enough to bow to it - it doesn't work on those who miss it and those who ignore it.
Those that ignore it also incidentally tend to be the reason that intervention is needed.
You have dismissed my ideas - I'm fine with that, but what have you put forward in its place? A viewpoint that requires you to change your definitions between subsequent posts in order to maintain your narrative. You will forgive me if I seem wary of accepting a viewpoint that requires such definition changes to remain internally consistent - compare this to my position that has not changed from the first post - if we take all morality out of it - an idea that remains consistent is more fully formed than an idea that requires changing definitions.
If you truly wish to dismiss my ideas and sway me with yours, I suggest you think harder about the consequences of inaction and how you define Self Defence in a way that can be applied at a national level (and not the subjective level, as that leads to chaos)
As for Arrogance and knowing it all - could the same accusation be leveled at yourself? Afterall, we are arguing over the internet and that in of itself requires a certain level of Arrogance.
Maybe you should try teaching your Dog to drive - he may have more luck....
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