Road rage fail: Aggressive NZ driver who hates cyclists

**Berries** · 16th January 2015, 22:38

Originally Posted by neels

Why not go hating on the the people shopping for chips and coke at the warehouse wearing their Melbourne storm shorts or Warriors jersey, who have absolutely no intention of playing a game of rugby league, or the dickhead who gets out of his 1998 3.8 Commodore and puts on his HSV jacket, these are the people who are not appropriately attired for their given activity, and are an offense on society in general.

Yes, but the thread was about cyclists.

And you answered my question, thank you. No hating involved.

**caseye** · 16th January 2015, 22:40

OK Einsteins, here's another one for you.
What is the recommended distance a motorist ( car, truck, motorcycle) is now expected to give a cyclist when overtaking them?

Sorry, it's 1.5 meters.

Now then, if your outside of country road white line is 300 mm off the grass verge and the lane is a pretty standard ( in NZ) 3-3.6m wide from that white line to the centre line.
If you allow that the cyclist is a total of 900 mm wide and is riding at about 3-600 mm from the outside white line and therefore already taking up 1.2-1.5 m of road width.
How much actual road on your side of the road is left for you to safely overtake said cyclist.
On average what is left is anything from 2 m down to 1.5 meters.
How wide is your standard motorcar/truck?
OK. average would be 1.8 m up to 2.4 m ( trucks) allowed on a standard roadway.
So best case scenario, if you are driving a car that is 1.5 m wide and you allow the "suggested" 1.5 meter's between you and the cycle are you completing a safe overtaking maneuver?
I say, NO.
In the best case scenario your motor vehicle is at least 800 mm ( That's 2.5 fucking feet!) over the centre line.
Did anyone do the math when they decreed that we should all have to do this?
This is suicide one O one.
So from the day this was suggested, politicians who approved the road safety campaign with all the signs all over our road ways and the cycling lobby groups who pushed for this, all, expect that if overtaking a cycle you must either cross the centre line to avoid coming into the cyclists safety zone or slow down behind them and wait until it's safe to overtake them.
BULL FUCKING SHIT!
I rode pushbikes from the day I could work the pedals, on country roads with trucks and all manner of other vehicles on them, I never came close to being hit by any of them.
I stayed to the left of the roadway and they drove past me sensibly and with as much room as they could give me.
It worked.
Oh, and no one contemplated riding 2 abreast because that was Suicide!
Short story, you rode a bike, you were responsible for your own safety,followed the very clear road rules as they pertained to pushbikes, didn't need nanny state making rules for you that favoured you over ALL other road users.
We did not and would never consider riding for miles with motor vehicles behind us waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake.
Either make the fucking roads wider so the issue goes away, or and I personally favour this one.
Make cyclists wear proper protective gear, make them use proper lights and indicators etc and make the fuckers PAY for using the roads, just like the rest of us.
That must be my first Friday night Rant.

**neels** · 16th January 2015, 22:43

Originally Posted by Berries

And you answered my question, thank you. No hating involved.

Well not really, because when I ride I ride by myself, so the ignorant bunch cyclist sentiment in the video doesn't really apply. It's the generalisations that hurt, really.

**neels** · 16th January 2015, 22:49

Originally Posted by caseye

make the fuckers PAY for using the roads, just like the rest of us.

Local roads are maintained by local councils, with income received from rates.

How many properties are you paying rates on?

The amount of money I pay to my local council every year entitles me to ride my bike wherever and whenever I fucking like.

**mstriumph** · 17th January 2015, 00:28

Originally Posted by bogan

You're a woman? you've never mentioned that before

So I should probably have clarified, when I said get on a cycle, I didn't mean a menstrual one.

didn't think you did ...

Originally Posted by bogan

You made a piss poor reply to HDC's valid point, so I took the piss out of it.

your call but i'm used to just jousting with the person i'm addressing without having his mates take a hand ... or are you his dad? (if so, it's reasonable you wade in to protect him

)

Originally Posted by bogan

You don't have to try and play the gender card every time someone takes the piss you know.

would'a been a fair comment if you hadn't already said you didn't know I'm female

... which makes your 'every time' invalid (as, obviously, I don't or you'd have realised my gender earlier ... i've been posting here for 10 years FFS lol)

**nzspokes** · 17th January 2015, 06:23

Originally Posted by caseye

OK Einsteins, here's another one for you.
What is the recommended distance a motorist ( car, truck, motorcycle) is now expected to give a cyclist when overtaking them?

Sorry, it's 1.5 meters.

Now then, if your outside of country road white line is 300 mm off the grass verge and the lane is a pretty standard ( in NZ) 3-3.6m wide from that white line to the centre line.
If you allow that the cyclist is a total of 900 mm wide and is riding at about 3-600 mm from the outside white line and therefore already taking up 1.2-1.5 m of road width.
How much actual road on your side of the road is left for you to safely overtake said cyclist.
On average what is left is anything from 2 m down to 1.5 meters.
How wide is your standard motorcar/truck?
OK. average would be 1.8 m up to 2.4 m ( trucks) allowed on a standard roadway.
So best case scenario, if you are driving a car that is 1.5 m wide and you allow the "suggested" 1.5 meter's between you and the cycle are you completing a safe overtaking maneuver?
I say, NO.
In the best case scenario your motor vehicle is at least 800 mm ( That's 2.5 fucking feet!) over the centre line.
Did anyone do the math when they decreed that we should all have to do this?
This is suicide one O one.
So from the day this was suggested, politicians who approved the road safety campaign with all the signs all over our road ways and the cycling lobby groups who pushed for this, all, expect that if overtaking a cycle you must either cross the centre line to avoid coming into the cyclists safety zone or slow down behind them and wait until it's safe to overtake them.
BULL FUCKING SHIT!
I rode pushbikes from the day I could work the pedals, on country roads with trucks and all manner of other vehicles on them, I never came close to being hit by any of them.
I stayed to the left of the roadway and they drove past me sensibly and with as much room as they could give me.
It worked.
Oh, and no one contemplated riding 2 abreast because that was Suicide!
Short story, you rode a bike, you were responsible for your own safety,followed the very clear road rules as they pertained to pushbikes, didn't need nanny state making rules for you that favoured you over ALL other road users.
We did not and would never consider riding for miles with motor vehicles behind us waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake.
Either make the fucking roads wider so the issue goes away, or and I personally favour this one.
Make cyclists wear proper protective gear, make them use proper lights and indicators etc and make the fuckers PAY for using the roads, just like the rest of us.
That must be my first Friday night Rant.

Watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTCs_h-mjc

Cyclist is not always in the wrong here. Sometimes he is in the wrong place but some drivers are out to get them.

In saying that I get the same things tried around Auckland when on my motorcycle. Things may have changed a bit since you last rode a pushbike.

**TheDemonLord** · 17th January 2015, 06:47

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTCs_h-mjc

Cyclist is not always in the wrong here. Sometimes he is in the wrong place but some drivers are out to get them.

In saying that I get the same things tried around Auckland when on my motorcycle. Things may have changed a bit since you last rode a pushbike.

Hahaha - That Video (where I called the cyclist out on some of his cycling and he got butthurt cause he couldn't defend his position with logic and then started calling me names

)

I think this is part of the problem - Caseye touched on it, and FJRider hit the nail on the head - Cyclists want to ignore the rules that don't benefit them or that they think they can ignore because of what it says in the Lycra Bible (as opposed to what the law actually says) - but they want the law enforced with fire and damnation on the rules that are there to keep them safe. Also it seems to be a thing that I have observed (so this is purely subjective) but I don't see a lot of defensive riding from Cyclists - I think this stems from the attitude of 'I have just as much right to be here as you do' as opposed to the attitude of 'I am small and squishy'

I still think that claiming the lane is a bad idea - even if you think its unsafe for someone else to pass it is arrogant, illegal and really gets on the tits of other drivers. You may not think it is safe for me to overtake, but I might think it is safe to overtake, and it is likely I know my car/bike better than you know it - so please don't be deciding for me when it is or isn't safe for me to do something.

As for Lycra and why it is despised - there are a number of reasons:

1: People who look good in lycra can wear lycra - the people who don't REALLY shouldn't
2: you aren't on the Tour-de-france so the few extra sections that you are able to gain by having decreased your wind resistence don't matter, sure where lycra underneath, but you can put a shorts and a tshirt over the top
3: Typically the Lycra clad rider is Male, in their 30s and rides in the manner I indicated above - ie being belligerant instead of riding defensively
4: This one is more from me - but there are options for armoured gloves, breathable knee and elbow pads that would go some way in reducing the injury a rider suffers in the event of a crash - but apparently Lycra is better (except for the fact it is useless in a crash) - I should also note, I hold the same disdain when I see people not riding with proper safety gear on bikes
5: Did I mention the fat overweight balding man with his flab spilling out and being grotesquely compressed by the Lycra suit he has shoe-horned himself into?

**nzspokes** · 17th January 2015, 06:57

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I think this stems from the attitude of 'I have just as much right to be here as you do' as opposed to the attitude of 'I am small and squishy'

Can the same not be said about motorcyclists?

And on the question of clothing, can the same not be said about motorcyclists?

I mean really, one piece leathers may look good in your head but not on your body.

**Berries** · 17th January 2015, 07:10

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I think this is part of the problem - Caseye touched on it, and FJRider hit the nail on the head - Cyclists want to ignore the rules that don't benefit them or that they think they can ignore because of what it says in the Lycra Bible (as opposed to what the law actually says) - but they want the law enforced with fire and damnation on the rules that are there to keep them safe.

No different to motorcyclists whatsoever IMO.

**skippa1** · 17th January 2015, 07:43

Originally Posted by bogan

You're a woman? you've never mentioned that before

So I should probably have clarified, when I said get on a cycle, I didn't mean a menstrual one.

You made a piss poor reply to HDC's valid point, so I took the piss out of it. You don't have to try and play the gender card every time someone takes the piss you know.

That little circle with the cross dangling underneath indicates female.

when the cross is on top, they are christlike vigins of infinite beauty and when the cross dangles below.......they are the anti christ.

just fyi

**TheDemonLord** · 17th January 2015, 07:51

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Can the same not be said about motorcyclists?

And on the question of clothing, can the same not be said about motorcyclists?

I mean really, one piece leathers may look good in your head but not on your body.

I agree - I think above I even said that I am just as guilty as those I rail against - the only real difference is that motorcyclists don't hold other drivers up

**bogan** · 17th January 2015, 08:29

Originally Posted by mstriumph

didn't think you did ...

your call but i'm used to just jousting with the person i'm addressing without having his mates take a hand ... or are you his dad? (if so, it's reasonable you wade in to protect him

) would'a been a fair comment if you hadn't already said you didn't know I'm female

... which makes your 'every time' invalid (as, obviously, I don't or you'd have realised my gender earlier ... i've been posting here for 10 years FFS lol)

That's what sarcasm is petal, of course I know you're a woman as you play the gender card every opportunity you get; that's why it was followed by a roll of the eyes indicate it was sarcasm. Hence the first and last bits stand together quite nicely.

Here's a tip, the PM function is for one on one discussion; the forum however, is a discussion forum. You don't like that, feel free to go bitch about me on more people's visitor walls

**nzspokes** · 17th January 2015, 08:30

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

the only real difference is that motorcyclists don't hold other drivers up

Trust me some do.

**Tazz** · 17th January 2015, 08:30

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I agree - I think above I even said that I am just as guilty as those I rail against - the only real difference is that motorcyclists don't hold other drivers up

That's the thing though, there will always be something to hold you up. After those cyclists there's a slow van, then a camper, then a truck, then some road works and so on and so fourth.
Some people just have a complex where they think they are too good to have to wait behind someone else for a min or two.

As annoying as some other users can be, those that get so frustrated really need to harden the fuck up and then pass where they can because it is just a part of using the bloody road.