Yamaha MT-07?

[Pickle]

All this talk about the MT07 not producing any power & de-restricting the bike YET No One here has actually ridden one except ME, as far as LAMs approved bikes go this thing is great, most learners who actually buy one & ride it wont need to have more power for a long time. Its big enough & has enough power / torque to tour easily - definitely has more roll on power than any of the current 4 cylinder 600s incl any of the supersport 600s that need to be revved to make them go. I think everyone is talking crap about wanting more power unless you are a straight line cowboy remember this bike is meant to be a LAMs bike, if you want more power go buy something FULL POWER
And unless you have actually ridden the bike I don't see how any of you can make a statement on what any bike needs

[DamianW]

Having seen one up close IMO it's a lovely looking bike. Also great to see even more choice for riders.

[Pickle]

cfxjason as per your original question the MT07 would be fine for doing longer rides on, its comfortable has enough room for 2 up if required & has enough power / torque to carry a load for those weekends away

[BlackSheepLogic]

Its big enough & has enough power / torque to tour easily - definitely has more roll on power than any of the current 4 cylinder 600s incl any of the supersport 600s that need to be revved to make them go. I think everyone is talking crap about wanting more power unless you are a straight line cowboy

You sir should stick to riding scooters and leave riding the big scary bikes to those of us with a greater claim to manhood.

[Pickle]

Maybe Blacksheep should know what he/she is talking about before commenting & if the best you got is implying I ride scooters then you got nothing

[BlackSheepLogic]

Maybe Blacksheep should know what he/she is talking about before commenting & if the best you got is implying I ride scooters then you got nothing

Not at all, you have a very large ego claiming after a ride that it has enough power that only cowboys would need more. For you maybe, for the rest of us it might or might not.

[cfxjason]

Well people i have bought one and i love it its leaps and bounds better than my drz for what i want

Very happy :-)

[Pickle]

Well done hope you enjoy

[Pickle]

Not at all, you have a very large ego claiming after a ride that it has enough power that only cowboys would need more. For you maybe, for the rest of us it might or might not.

Where did I say that only cowboys would need more, I stated it has good power & torque - it is a LAMS bike not a full horsepower bike like your GSX1300 or my KTM V Twin

[GrayWolf]

Not at all, you have a very large ego claiming after a ride that it has enough power that only cowboys would need more. For you maybe, for the rest of us it might or might not.

Ferchissake, back in the 1970's the Z1 was considered overpowered, at 87bhp. This constant 'lust' for BHP is absolutely pointless, I've owned the fastest bikes on the road, (for the time) last being a ZZR1100, which is still a formidable weapon 24yrs on. If most riders could use a 600cc to it's potential, they would all be extremely good riders, to use a 1000cc to it's fullest potential, we would all be called Andrew Stroud. 99.9% of us are not THAT good.
To have a bike that is capable of overtaking quickly and effectively for the style of riding you do, is all you need.. 2 up touring? then a big motor that can pull weight is required.... On straight lines or if going really quick on very tight stuff, I accept I'll be slower than, but most of the general riding I do in a group, I am certainly 'up with the play'... on a low horsepower, high torque machine.
Any EGO is only really when the rider HAS to have the latest whizzbang GBX1000 super duper crotch exciter; just because it's got more power than anyone else. most cant handle what they already have.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Ferchissake, back in the 1970's the Z1 was considered overpowered, at 87bhp. This constant 'lust' for BHP is absolutely pointless, I've owned the fastest bikes on the road, (for the time) last being a ZZR1100, which is still a formidable weapon 24yrs on. If most riders could use a 600cc to it's potential, they would all be extremely good riders, to use a 1000cc to it's fullest potential, we would all be called Andrew Stroud. 99.9% of us are not THAT good.
To have a bike that is capable of overtaking quickly and effectively for the style of riding you do, is all you need.. 2 up touring? then a big motor that can pull weight is required.... On straight lines or if going really quick on very tight stuff, I accept I'll be slower than, but most of the general riding I do in a group, I am certainly 'up with the play'... on a low horsepower, high torque machine.

A bikes like your ZZR1100, a ZX14R or a Busa are not track bikes and they not sold as track bikes. Any argument about the bike & riders abilities to ride like a maniac misses the point of these bikes. The top sped of these bikes tends to colorize perceptions about the bike & riders which is unfortunate.

Any EGO is only really when the rider HAS to have the latest whizzbang GBX1000 super duper crotch exciter; just because it's got more power than anyone else. most cant handle what they already have.

The EGO is in defining a bike/rider based on your personal bike needs/sensibilities. Someone with a GSX1000R clearly has a different need to you or I. If it meets their needs and pushes the right buttons for them it's none of my of your business if they can ride it within an inch of it's life or not, nor should you care. A part of riding is the enjoyment of the ride which will always influence a riders choice of bike.

[pritch]

And unless you have actually ridden the bike I don't see how any of you can make a statement on what any bike needs

Again, bollocks. I was interested in an MT-07 following reading the road tests in overseas magazines. This is not the MT-07 I read about and I'm not interested. Simple.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Where did I say that only cowboys would need more, I stated it has good power & torque - it is a LAMS bike not a full horsepower bike like your GSX1300 or my KTM V Twin

I read your post I guess differently to that intended.

I've known learners who have started out on +1000cc bikes along with learners who started off on the "more sensible" smaller bikes. Learners who I have known who started off on the bigger bikes developed better riding skills, kept the bike longer, and got a lot more enjoyment from the bike. They also had less accidents.

This is why I feel learner bikes are a misnomer. The right power & bike is whatever is right for the individual ridder.

[GrayWolf]

A bikes like your ZZR1100, a ZX14R or a Busa are not track bikes and they not sold as track bikes. Any argument about the bike & riders abilities to ride like a maniac misses the point of these bikes. The top sped of these bikes tends to colorize perceptions about the bike & riders which is unfortunate.

yes the top speed of these bikes does 'colour' perceptions. Many buy them for nothing other than the exact reason, they ARE the fastest machines on the road. ZZR/ZXR/'busa/etc are all designed as 'intercontinental missiles' to travel 1000miles a day, every day. So where in NZ do we have those roads? There are those who I have ridden with, who can ride these bikes quite 'hard', and I have no issue with that at all.


The EGO is in defining a bike/rider based on your personal bike needs/sensibilities. Someone with a GSX1000R clearly has a different need to you or I. If it meets their needs and pushes the right buttons for them it's none of my of your business if they can ride it within an inch of it's life or not, nor should you care. A part of riding is the enjoyment of the ride which will always influence a riders choice of bike.

The EGO I'm referring to, and you know full well, is not the 'what floats my boat for looks etc', but the 'I want it, because I want the bragging rights' EGO. Bikes like the new Kwaka really concern me, not because I think that like their original namesakes H1/H2, they will become 'widowmakers', but this constant producing of more powerful cars and bikes can only end one way, Govt' intervention on a global scale. If you think it cant happen, Just research Germany's and the European regulations. Germany had a 'self imposed 100bhp limit' for many years. Any modification parts for a bike must be 'type approved' for that particular model, so if a new better tyre is produced and not 'type approved'? Tough shit, it's illegal to fit it, even handlebars and aftermarket footrests are subject to this draconian regulation. Once Govt's start on this route, it will only end one way, 'type approved'.
I'll reiterate, I have no issue with people buying exotic/mega powerful machinery, as long as they are ACTUALLY competent to use it. Porsche (Europe) used to (may still) organise instruction for new purchasers of the 911's because of the 'arse heavy' handling characteristics. We could end up with a similar license system to Europe? Stepped, where you have to prove experience, or take approved training to go 'up' in power/cc...
The reason I dont use the ZZR, is personal choice, the bike doesnt produce its 'real power' till 6k rpm, which in top gear is 150kph, up to that point my old FJ1200 was actually a 'better' ride for engine flexibility.

[BlackSheepLogic]

yes the top speed of these bikes does 'colour' perceptions. Many buy them for nothing other than the exact reason, they ARE the fastest machines on the road. ZZR/ZXR/'busa/etc are all designed as 'intercontinental missiles' to travel 1000miles a day, every day. So where in NZ do we have those roads? There are those who I have ridden with, who can ride these bikes quite 'hard', and I have no issue with that at all.yes the top speed of these bikes does 'colour' perceptions. Many buy them for nothing other than the exact reason, they ARE the fastest machines on the road. ZZR/ZXR/'busa/etc are all designed as 'intercontinental missiles' to travel 1000miles a day, every day. So where in NZ do we have those roads? There are those who I have ridden with, who can ride these bikes quite 'hard', and I have no issue with that at all.

I use mine as a sport tourer, there are plenty of nice roads in NZ to ride all day no matter the reason. It's a responsive bike pretty much in any gear loaded or unloaded. One of the nicest well mannered bikes I've owned and comfortable to ride all day. In the early years of the Busa I'm sure some were bought for the top speed but riders looking for that nowadays don't buy a Busa.

The EGO I'm referring to, and you know full well, is not the 'what floats my boat for looks etc', but the 'I want it, because I want the bragging rights' EGO. Bikes like the new Kwaka really concern me, not because I think that like their original namesakes H1/H2, they will become 'widowmakers', but this constant producing of more powerful cars and bikes can only end one way, Govt' intervention on a global scale. If you think it cant happen, Just research Germany's and the European regulations. Germany had a 'self imposed 100bhp limit' for many years. Any modification parts for a bike must be 'type approved' for that particular model, so if a new better tyre is produced and not 'type approved'? Tough shit, it's illegal to fit it, even handlebars and aftermarket footrests are subject to this draconian regulation. Once Govt's start on this route, it will only end one way, 'type approved'.
I'll reiterate, I have no issue with people buying exotic/mega powerful machinery, as long as they are ACTUALLY competent to use it. Porsche (Europe) used to (may still) organise instruction for new purchasers of the 911's because of the 'arse heavy' handling characteristics. We could end up with a similar license system to Europe? Stepped, where you have to prove experience, or take approved training to go 'up' in power/cc...
The reason I dont use the ZZR, is personal choice, the bike doesnt produce its 'real power' till 6k rpm, which in top gear is 150kph, up to that point my old FJ1200 was actually a 'better' ride for engine flexibility.

Fair point.