Annual road toll up 44

[unstuck]

whats ya point unstuck?

That you are an angry fucker, and should hand your license in to scummy.

[dangerous]

That you are an angry fucker, and should hand your license in to scummy.

What licence?

[unstuck]

What licence?

Touche.

At least I have everything but the bike one.

[Berries]

the auto barn...

Is that like Repco and Supercheap?

[rastuscat]

theres are answer to the road toll... increase the speed limit, thanks Tazz

You are cherry picking your preferred solution. I'd agree if the roads and drivers supported it, but they don't.

[ellipsis]

You are cherry picking your preferred solution. I'd agree if the roads and drivers supported it, but they don't.

...I had some really lovely cherries the other night...picked from the side of SH75...

[swbarnett]

You are cherry picking your preferred solution. I'd agree if the roads and drivers supported it, but they don't.

It's not about the roads. It's about the fact that drivers are much safer if they're allowed to drive at their own natural speed. That way you get far fewer distracted drivers.

[haydes55]

It's not about the roads. It's about the fact that drivers are much safer if they're allowed to drive at their own natural speed. That way you get far fewer distracted drivers.

Also, faster arterial roads, less traffic everywhere, less time spent on roads, less people driving in an autonomous state, less concern about speed, more about actual driving errors.

As for the comment about NZers not doing driver training, that's bullshit. If people aren't doing training, that's because A- it's never advertised to average Joe B- there's currently no reason (incentive) to go for average Joe C- everyone passed their license so easily they think they are better than they are.

Suggestion- your license can still be for pretty much life, but to drive, you must currently have a card which proves you undertook a driver/rider/safety course recently. Card expires 2 years after the course. Sparkly glitter cards for those who eclipse the rigorous test at the end of the course, valid for 4 years. ACC subsidised, group classes, employ thousands of competent drivers. Added bonus, all foreigners will have to do a course before being allowed to drive on NZ roads. The courses could be 2 hours, with a 20 minute driver test. How about a test that actually tests a drivers limits? Enter a corner too fast, obstacle avoidance, loss of grip etc.

[speedpro]

How about a test that actually tests a drivers limits? Enter a corner too fast, obstacle avoidance, loss of grip etc.

Everyone knows the answer to those situations - jam on the brakes

[Murray]

Enter a corner too fast, obstacle avoidance, loss of grip etc.

Or a test on not entering corners too fast.

[haydes55]

Or a test on not entering corners too fast.

So what happens 3 years down the track when the driver enters a corner too fast by accident for the first time? They slam on the brakes, rear end comes around, they panic and brake more, turn into the skid or let go of all controls and crash?

Better to train for any situation that could arise, than to train to drive with your hands at 10 and 2 at exactly the speed limit around town. Because no one gets through 100,000km of driving without ever mucking up at least one corner. If you have never broken traction before, if you don't know how to control a loss of traction, then regardless of whether you're a "good" driver, or whether you can stick below the speed limit, you will one day lose traction, and you will crash as a result.

I'm the only guy at work who has been working for longer than a year there, and hasn't had a crash in over 3 years and 150,000km of driving the work van. I'm also the fastest driver by far and I go through tires about 10,000km more often than the other guys in the same vans as me. I have deliberately chucked the van into corners too fast, I have over steered, I have under steered. I've driven in rain, fog, hail and shine and broken traction in it all. I've done emergency stops, swerve avoidance and given way to people about to cut me off. I've come across quite a few situations that could have resulted in a crash for an average driver, and come out dent free. Never once had a complaint against my driving and never caused a crash.

I think I have done everything possible to make my driving as safe as possible, I even indicate correctly when there's no cars or pedestrians for miles. I don't think I will ever have a crash in a 4 wheeled vehicle, I think that because I practice, mostly on a weekly basis whilst driving. I practice entering corners too fast, I practice losing traction, I practice losing traction in rain. If ever my van loses traction, I won't even have to put down my pie to drive out of it one handed.

[ellipsis]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw2a...T1E/edit?pli=1


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[rastuscat]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw2a...T1E/edit?pli=1


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That's very interesting.

Right, so if we take that as gospel, it'd be safer for everyone to go 71 mph than 49 mph.

Including those numpties who suck at driving, who don't know other road users exist, who can't see beyond the end of the bonnet.

Really?

[Scuba_Steve]

That's very interesting.

Right, so if we take that as gospel, it'd be safer for everyone to go 71 mph than 49 mph.

Including those numpties who suck at driving, who don't know other road users exist, who can't see beyond the end of the bonnet.

Really?

The same ones who are like that because the Govt (with the help of their gang 'NZ Police') won't let them think for themselves i.e. the "bored, distracted, inattentive, but legal ones".
Maybee with resources not spent illegally extorting moneys for "speeding" they could be spent harassing said bad drivers instead, it's a win win

[Tazz]

That's very interesting.

Right, so if we take that as gospel, it'd be safer for everyone to go 71 mph than 49 mph.

Including those numpties who suck at driving, who don't know other road users exist, who can't see beyond the end of the bonnet.

Really?

Everything else aside, under a system like that though wouldn't everyones optimal speed be different, including numptys? It would possibly even be less than the current 100 target on pieces of road that would otherwise see them keeping their speed up even in the rain.