Annual road toll up 44

[swbarnett]

"when we target speeding, we see less deaths and less injuries"

Lies, damn lies and statistics!!!





Besides not knowing English - "less" = Continuous (e.g. less sand), FEWER = discrete (e.g. fewer grains of sand) and is the word they need here.

[swbarnett]

Police officers are not morons.

Some certainly are (as with any profession). Most of those that I've met on the road seem to have bought the speed lie hook, line and sinker.

[FJRider]

Lies, damn lies and statistics!!!

Simple fact ...

Hitting SOLID objects at slower speeds does increase the chances of less injury.

Are you feeling lucky ... PUNK .. ???

[swbarnett]

Simple fact ...

Hitting SOLID objects at slower speeds does increase the chances of less injury.

Even simpler fact ...

NOT hitting solid objects at all has a 100% chance of no injury.

Allowing everyone to find their own optimal speed is the best way to reduce the occurrence of hitting solid objects. Aiming at an arbitrary maximum speed is a good way to increase the occurrence of hitting solid objects.

[caspernz]

Simple fact ...

Hitting SOLID objects at slower speeds does increase the chances of less injury.

Are you feeling lucky ... PUNK .. ???

In some cases this approach has flaws though. Cross the centre line in your car, take on a truck head-on, it matters little whether you're doing 70/80/90/100/110.

Bit like the difference between a 0.338 and a 0.50 round isn't it? Both are deadly if they're coming at you. Better not to find oneself in the line of fire.

The whole "speed is the only evil" myth continues to crack me up. Lovely to see some effort going into the other activities drivers get up to that are the cause of many incidents...while the Kodak cash cams still seem to sit on the downhill runs

[Edbear]

Even simpler fact ...

NOT hitting solid objects at all has a 100% chance of no injury.

Allowing everyone to find their own optimal speed is the best way to reduce the occurrence of hitting solid objects. Aiming at an arbitrary maximum speed is a good way to increase the occurrence of hitting solid objects.

Allowing everyone to find their own optimal speed is to assume that everyone is in fact as capable as they think they are! The drivers who crash and kill and maim are clear testament to the fallacy of that.

I suppose you would then happily accept being stuck behind an open road driver doing 40km/h.

[FJRider]

Even simpler fact ...

NOT hitting solid objects at all has a 100% chance of no injury.

Simple people are not aware of this ... and continue to advantage themselves of their right of personal choice of choosing their own impact speed.

Allowing everyone to find their own optimal speed is the best way to reduce the occurrence of hitting solid objects. Aiming at an arbitrary maximum speed is a good way to increase the occurrence of hitting solid objects

How many attempts (ie:number of crashes) are allowed to find this "Optimal" speed ... and increasing arbitrary speeds will enhance the occurrence as well ...


Personal choice as to choice of impact speeds exist already. The biggest guess is opposing traffic speed ... if you guess correctly ... :

Guess wrong ...

[Edbear]

It does seem that generally the traffic is going slower nowadays, but until the road toll comes down I will continue to opine that many drivers are unsafe at any speed.


Personally I have no issues with complying with the law, but then I am an old fuddy duddy nowadays... Not that I don't enjoy power and speed, but I'd prefer to do high speeds on the track these days. Less likely to be the victim of someone else's mistake.

[Katman]

It does seem that generally the traffic is going slower nowadays, but until the road toll comes down I will continue to opine that many drivers are unsafe at any speed.

You're a prime example.

[FJRider]

In some cases this approach has flaws though. Cross the centre line in your car, take on a truck head-on, it matters little whether you're doing 70/80/90/100/110.

Bit like the difference between a 0.338 and a 0.50 round isn't it? Both are deadly if they're coming at you. Better not to find oneself in the line of fire.

The whole "speed is the only evil" myth continues to crack me up. Lovely to see some effort going into the other activities drivers get up to that are the cause of many incidents...while the Kodak cash cams still seem to sit on the downhill runs

Speed isn't evil.

Impact speeds ARE. The faster you go ... the greater the likely impact speed. REGARDLESS of what you hit.

The ... "Not my fault" attitude ... will not reduce said impact speed (or it's result)

[dangerous]

And it probably would have been 45 dead if the so-called 1kph over-and-ticket thing had never existed.

I blame the public, the ones that equated "1kph over and you will be stopped" to "1kph over and you will get a ticket"

If they think like that then lord knows how they think when actually driving - well the ones that DO think...

Ya know what... I reckon it would a been 43 "dead if the so-called 1kph over-and-ticket thing had never existed"

"I blame the public, the ones that equated "1kph over and you will be stopped" to "1kph over and you will get a ticket"

Cos Im reckoning that at least ONE dead was due to a public driver driving at 90kph cos they were shit scead of doing 101kph and getting told of and there 1st ever speeding ticket holding up a stream of tail gaters and ONE of them became impatent and did a dumb move and passed the slow prick Mr public and caused a crash killing ONE

[caspernz]

Speed isn't evil.

Impact speeds ARE. The faster you go ... the greater the likely impact speed. REGARDLESS of what you hit.

The ... "Not my fault" attitude ... will not reduce said impact speed (or it's result)

Never said speed was evil, the whole myth created by being "safe" when doing a certain slower speed...that's the crux of it.

Driver skill improvement and sensible enforcement of all dodgy driving aspects is all I'd like to see, but heck the focus on speed seems ingrained now.

The Smiths driving system is supremely simple in essence, and it keeps me safe and sensible on 2, 4 and more wheels. Yes sensible speed is part of it, and taking charge of a situation as well...maybe if more folks would learn it, the roads would be safer for all of us

[FJRider]

Cos Im reckoning that at least ONE dead was due to a public driver driving at 90kph cos they were shit scead of doing 101kph and getting told of and there 1st ever speeding ticket holding up a stream of tail gaters and ONE of them became impatent and did a dumb move and passed the slow prick Mr public and caused a crash killing ONE

So ... the one at fault was a slow driver ... because another was impatient and did a dumb thing and caused (your words) a crash killing .. ??

Next you'll be blaming a bar tender for a drunk driver accident death.

[Scuba_Steve]

Next you'll be blaming a bar tender for a drunk driver accident death.

Again go read yourself some legislation... They quite often DO blame the bar/bar tender, it's old legislation that allows for this

[FJRider]

Never said speed was evil, the whole myth created by being "safe" when doing a certain slower speed...that's the crux of it.

Show me WHERE .. and what cop says it is safe at legal (or less) speeds.

The cop catchline ... "the faster you go .. (etc) " does not say that ...


The size of the mess is up to you.