Navy unable to board fishing vessels

[Akzle]

we should (as an island nation) have a focus on protecting the coast, territorial waters and inland waters

why?
If jew key gets his way theyll be sold and ergo, not our problem.

[R650R]

I have heard from multiple different sources that the NZSAS and the ASAS are thought of in the highest regard by other special forces of a similar calibre.

I should point out - I frequently deride the NZ armed forces, not for the men and women who are on the hypothetical front line, but more the political and beuarocratic blunders that I see - for an island nation, we don't have a Marine force, we don't have full amphibious assault capability and we don't have a fleet air arm.....

Usually always from a NZ source, just like how our media and the govt like us to think we're some special breed innovative nation of conquerers and inventors who can make anything out of number eight wire...
But then you go overseas and we're not even on the radar of most nations, there are lots more clever people and inventors around the world.

We don't need a marine force, we don't need sweet FA of anything really. Just who is a threat to NZ? Who is big enough to actually arrive here in sizeable numbers??? Have a look and the possible list of contenders are so much bigger than us that we'd get cleaned up no matter what fight we put up.

The biggest actual real threat is of the CIA setting up/sponsoring a fake terror group here like the Te Urewera four etc and conducting false flag attacks to justify Team America into moving in here to 'save' us from the rebels and set up permanent bases. Lets hope we never discover massive oil or mineral reserves in NZ. Otherwise we'll be the next afganistan or Iraq etc....

[Kickaha]

The biggest actual real threat is of the CIA setting up/sponsoring a fake terror group here like the Te Urewera four etc and conducting false flag attacks to justify Team America into moving in here to 'save' us from the rebels and set up permanent bases.

Have you been reading too much "Smith's Dream" ?

[husaberg]

[unstuck]

Carnage vid

Hunting Aotearoa is just about to start, I wish Matua had one of them things.

[husaberg]

Hunting Aotearoa is just about to start, I wish Matua had one of them things.

Easier and a bit more fun than boarding rusting hulks in a leaking Aussie frigate.......We already have the C130's.
We could use just about anything......including the Orions
look what the yanks did AC47 or DC3 with a few miniguns and a Fighter gunsight.
Not a single US installation was lost to the enemy in the Vietnam war when a AC47 was deployed overhead.

[Delerium]

Usually always from a NZ source, just like how our media and the govt like us to think we're some special breed innovative nation of conquerers and inventors who can make anything out of number eight wire...
But then you go overseas and we're not even on the radar of most nations, there are lots more clever people and inventors around the world.

We don't need a marine force, we don't need sweet FA of anything really. Just who is a threat to NZ? Who is big enough to actually arrive here in sizeable numbers??? Have a look and the possible list of contenders are so much bigger than us that we'd get cleaned up no matter what fight we put up.

The biggest actual real threat is of the CIA setting up/sponsoring a fake terror group here like the Te Urewera four etc and conducting false flag attacks to justify Team America into moving in here to 'save' us from the rebels and set up permanent bases. Lets hope we never discover massive oil or mineral reserves in NZ. Otherwise we'll be the next afganistan or Iraq etc....

Oh FFS. don't make me school you on the realities of the military again.

[Flip]

A few years ago the navy got in a spot of trouble when they shot a bridge off a fishing boad doing a runner, but this was in NZ waters.

[angle]

Well, it depends - are you trying to have a full blue water navy with Amphibious assault options? in which case - yes, that is very expensive - but I think in NZ our need for a full blue water navy (if our armed services are just a defence force) isn't large - we should (as an island nation) have a focus on protecting the coast, territorial waters and inland waters

Protecting from what threats? Please expand, what does the navy need and why?

A few years ago the navy got in a spot of trouble when they shot a bridge off a fishing boad doing a runner, but this was in NZ waters.

Are you sure that it wasn't a botched up gunnery exercise?

[TheDemonLord]

Protecting from what threats? Please expand, what does the navy need and why?

Coastal defence from Smugglers, poachers, illegal fishing
Protection of commercial shipping interests that are in NZ territorial waters
Disaster relief in the event of a major coastal disaster (such as a Tsunami or similar)
Projection of force to any part of NZ in the case of major civil unrest and or disaster.
Intervention in the event of an armed conflict or civil war amongst our Pacific neighbours

And finally - in the event of an armed conflict on NZ soil (granted it is unlikely) then I see the NZ navy with amphibious capability as a harrassment/vanguard force, forcing any invading enemy to constantly stop to defend their supply lines/logistics from amphibious assault (due to the large concentration of major cities by the coast/major waterways)

[Big Dog]

Seriously though, why invade New Zealand? It would cost far less to buy New Zealand than to mount a campaign of any serious nature. Unless the Aussies decide they want to raid the half they don't already own.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously though, why invade New Zealand? It would cost far less to buy New Zealand than to mount a campaign of any serious nature. Unless the Aussies decide they want to raid the half they don't already own.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Hobbit fetish?
Tolkein complex?

[angle]

Coastal defence from Smugglers, poachers, illegal fishing
Protection of commercial shipping interests that are in NZ territorial waters
Disaster relief in the event of a major coastal disaster (such as a Tsunami or similar)
Projection of force to any part of NZ in the case of major civil unrest and or disaster.
Intervention in the event of an armed conflict or civil war amongst our Pacific neighbours

The navy already has those capabilities.

And finally - in the event of an armed conflict on NZ soil (granted it is unlikely) then I see the NZ navy with amphibious capability as a harrassment/vanguard force, forcing any invading enemy to constantly stop to defend their supply lines/logistics from amphibious assault (due to the large concentration of major cities by the coast/major waterways)

Who is the invading enemy? What is this enemy using? How many of them are there? How is amphibious capability going to contribute to the harassment of the enemy?

[TheDemonLord]

The navy already has those capabilities.

That is debatable, since the whole issue of this discussion was how they weren't able to prosecute those capabilities

Who is the invading enemy? What is this enemy using? How many of them are there? How is amphibious capability going to contribute to the harassment of the enemy?

We are a country of lots and lots of coastline and waterways - just like the vietcong were able to hide in the large water networks and use it as one of the supply methods during the Vietnam war. Also like how the Columbian Drug cartels use the Amazon basin to hide from authorities and launch smuggling attempts from the large network of lakes and rivers.

if such low tech adversaries can outmaneuver and hide from the US (which arguably has the most powerful Navy on the planet) then I think it is safe to say that using the same amphibious hit-and-run methods first developed by the Vikings and shown to be effective in modern combat, we could mount a successful resistance, appearing suddenly for a raid against key logistics or infrastructure via either the coast or river systems, then retreating just as quickly to hide in amongst all the other river/island/bay areas.

[Banditbandit]

Intervention in the event of an armed conflict or civil war amongst our Pacific neighbours

Yeah ?? Go down to south dorkland and stand between a Tongan and a Samoan about to try to kill each other ... intervention won't seem like such a good idea then ..