Learning from accidents

[FJRider]

... I plan to do some training to be able to avoid these situations and if necessary what actions to take when they happen - (instinctively)

I'm curious ... where do you plan on getting training for such .. ???

[eldog]

I'm curious ... where do you plan on getting training for such .. ???

Good question

Training for changes in road conditions - will be mostly my own observations, by doing various types of riding. Highway, secondary roads, local roads, gravel roads I different types of weather conditions.

I am not just a dry weather Auckland rider....

Currently have limited experience - so need to do more

slides-mostly from gravel being able to relax is key (I think) so I know what to expect from the bike, what works and what doesn't.
tankslapper-i learnt from my own experience but wiling to listen to others
highsides - something I don't really wish to repeat, but learning to (try to) avoid doing what triggers a high side is my goal

in my case being relaxed and not wrenching the bike around, being smooth (I tried to be and with the throttle, maybe i could have powered out of the slide, but I am naturally cautious.

Other biking skills - from getting instructions from more advanced (skilled riders) - paid training

getting my slow speed skills up to a higher level (they are crap at the moment-need practise)

might not answer you question - but am willing to try (I am time limited at present)

[FJRider]

You should see if they will allow you to go for a ride around Snowfarm Cardrona Valley in the middle of Winter as they have a dedicated snow and ice track like in the movie for vehicle testing. You would be cheating if you took an old trail bike like they rode in the movie though as dropping them would not be very expensive repair wise.

Have you seen what they charge for that privilege ... ??? And HIS location .. ??


Easier to practice on a (wet) grass paddock riding an old (or somebody else's) bike ...

[eldog]

I have never had a tank slapper fall so I must be doing something right despite what others think.

I didn't fall due to a tankslapper, that was diminishing and was about 50% of what it started with.
I felt I was going to stay upright and survive
The sudden traction of the rear caused the highside->fall.

FYI - got the bike up and rode home all 260 kg of it. (I had some help, but not with the riding)

[ellipsis]

I would imagine there would be a cost but not sure if it would be more or less that what they charge for a track day that some on here go to. !

...there you go again...assuming your reply to be correct...much like the other assumptions on your posts...but you're wrong again...thick is boring, like you...

[FJRider]

... The fact you say it's best done on old bike proves risking a good bike on icy roads is dumb eh!

To practice (and possibly crashing) on your own road bike is not a good idea.

There is a big difference between riding on roads with the possibility of hitting black ice ... and riding on ice roads.

[unstuck]

Maybe someone could post a video of where a tank slapped happens. I could only see something like that happening in an off-road situation where you are riding through multiple deep ruts or thick gravel.

[eldog]

tanklapper video

my tankslapper, I have never seen my arms move so fast, seemed like 10 times a second the bars twisted from one side of the bike to the other. Got down to maybe 1-2 times.....

My vision focussed souly on the bars and the throttle - trying to keep it steady/constant

It was better than the highside

[FJRider]

Maybe someone could post a video of where a tank slapped happens. I could only see something like that happening in an off-road situation where you are riding through multiple deep ruts or thick gravel.

[bogan]

While that was a race it did look like as he was not cornering hard over it was a mechanical problem with the bike or a loss of pressure in the front tire and not being anything to do with a lack of riding skills. All of my bikes have been brand new plus I have never had a front tyre blow out or loose pressure which would explain why I have never had one.

Nothing to do with loss of tyre pressure, and it doesn't often happen while cornering hard; it is when the front end gets light coming out of a corner.

You've probably never had one cos your front end is anything but light.

[unstuck]

While that was a race it did look like as he was not cornering hard over it was a mechanical problem with the bike or a loss of pressure in the front tire and not being anything to do with a lack of riding skills. All of my bikes have been brand new plus I have never had a front tyre blow out or loose pressure which would explain why I have never had one.

Can happen for all sorts of reasons, not just mechanical. But when it does, you better hope you can relax in a hurry cos if you fight it, it's gonna hurt.

[FJRider]

While that was a race it did look like as he was not cornering hard over it was a mechanical problem with the bike or a loss of pressure in the front tire and not being anything to do with a lack of riding skills. All of my bikes have been brand new plus I have never had a front tyre blow out or loose pressure which would explain why I have never had one.

Take a peek at this.



And quoting embedded images and vids is frowned on by the Mod's ... expect a PM from Gremlin ...

[bogan]

What is your analysis of what he did wrong

Well, his main mistake was falling off.

Hey, you two have something in common!

[Luckylegs]

So he was attempting to wheel stand out of the corner then which I have actually seen some racers do successfully but maybe they wait until the rear wheel is fully straightened up coming out of the corner eh.
What is your analysis of what he did wrong or do you think he should not try being a show off because that's the reason why they do it on race tracks and maybe the road too in that situation.

Oh dear! Really? You'd been doing so well too. Do you understand what causes a front wheel to come off the ground? (There's more but we'll wait to see where your level of understanding is first)

[Kickaha]

So he was attempting to wheel stand out of the corner then which I have actually seen some racers do successfully but maybe they wait until the rear wheel is fully straightened up coming out of the corner eh.
What is your analysis of what he did wrong or do you think he should not try being a show off because that's the reason why they do it on race tracks and maybe the road too in that situation.

Surely no one who can breathe unaided can be this fucking stupid?