Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[Oscar]

looks to me that you've spent too much time in the education system, I luckily have not.

That is the first true thing you've posted.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ahh, the old education is just indoctrination argument. Brought to you by fruits of such 'indoctrination' like the internet.
You can assume wrong. Official as opposed to conspiracy theorist viewpoints do not enter into my decision making process at all. The evidence does; and its lack here is almost palpable.

you say this but then constantly dismiss anything YouTube & constantly want "peer reviewed articles" or in other words constantly dismiss a open channel in favour of officially controlled one
Now is everything on YouTube true... fuck no, but neither is every "peer review article" as we've seen & you're more likely to find truth on YouTube than almost any other mainstream media source; to dismiss anything simply because it's from YouTube is really going the extra mile to stay ignorant

[bogan]

you say this but then constantly dismiss anything YouTube & constantly want "peer reviewed articles" or in other words constantly dismiss a open channel in favour of officially controlled one
Now is everything on YouTube true... fuck no, but neither is every "peer review article" as we've seen & you're more likely to find truth on YouTube than almost any other mainstream media source; to dismiss anything simply because it's from YouTube is really going the extra mile to stay ignorant

You know I dismiss pretty much everything from mainstream media too right? Like I said, Official as opposed to conspiracy theorist viewpoints do not enter into my decision making process at all.

You are most likely to find truth in peer reviewed articles because of the way they lay out the information in such a way that experts can review their decision making process. Pretty much all the youtube's I've seen obfuscate this, making blanket claims without providing the supporting evidence, overstating a single person's opinion or interpretation. If you would like to provide one for me to watch (up until the obfuscation begins) and illustrate this point I can.

[mashman]

And this dear readers, is why society is what it is among the masses. Everybody wants their view point and opinion to be the right one, and those that disagree with it are scorned and abused. What a joke, the lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Just another thread full of angry dick waving.

The result is in the eye of the beholder

I thought everybody wanted an honest outcome irrespective of their viewpoint.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You know I dismiss pretty much everything from mainstream media too right?

How to back pedal without pedals

[Scuba_Steve]

You know I dismiss pretty much everything from mainstream media too right? Like I said, Official as opposed to conspiracy theorist viewpoints do not enter into my decision making process at all.

You are most likely to find truth in peer reviewed articles because of the way they lay out the information in such a way that experts can review their decision making process. Pretty much all the youtube's I've seen obfuscate this, making blanket claims without providing the supporting evidence, overstating a single person's opinion or interpretation. If you would like to provide one for me to watch (up until the obfuscation begins) and illustrate this point I can.

like the "peer reviewed" article I previously posted, or the shitload of them the science journals recently purged due to being not only inaccurate but complete falsifications... those sort of "peer reviewed" articles you talking?
Bullshit is everywhere, being peer reviewed doesn't seem to change that & hell YouTube is peer reviewed, have you seen the comments section??? (it's also trolled but that comes with anonymity, welcome to the human world ay)

Did you want a specific YouTube vid? Here's one anyways... all sciencey & shit

[bogan]

How to back pedal without pedals

So, still got nothing of value to add then?

[FJRider]

So, still got nothing of value to add then?

Ditto .................................

[bogan]

like the "peer reviewed" article I previously posted, or the shitload of them the science journals recently purged due to being not only inaccurate but complete falsifications... those sort of "peer reviewed" articles you talking?
Bullshit is everywhere, being peer reviewed doesn't seem to change that & hell YouTube is peer reviewed, have you seen the comments section??? (it's also trolled but that comes with anonymity, welcome to the human world ay)

Did you want a specific YouTube vid? Here's one anyways... all sciencey & shit

Yup, those are the ones. Far far fewer errors in those than on the youtubes, youtube doesn't even take down the known wrong ones ffs.

Peer reviewed immensely changes the balance of right to wrong. Youtube is not peer reviewed, it is commented on by all and sundry, there is a difference.

Ok, so what statement are you using that video to support?

[Brian d marge]

full of angry dick waving.

at my age ....A. got to find it

B ... convince it to come out

Only then can one start to wave , but the desired effect is more comical than anything else


But if I could I would !!

Stephen

[Katman]

Peer reviewed immensely changes the balance of right to wrong. Youtube is not peer reviewed, it is commented on by all and sundry, there is a difference.

You might like to read this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

(I don't know whether it's been peer reviewed though).

[Voltaire]

at my age ....A. got to find it

B ... convince it to come out

Only then can one start to wave , but the desired effect is more comical than anything else


But if I could I would !!

Stephen

So what's happening in Tokyo?

And where are the warehouses full of cheap Eurobikes in various states than end up here?

[bogan]

You might like to read this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

(I don't know whether it's been peer reviewed though).

Yeh that is good. Since it has been written in the proper format I can take exception to some of the statements written. The first (and first instance of a reference too) being "This pastiche—which is not far from systems I have seen used—is little better than tossing a coin, because the level of agreement between reviewers on whether a paper should be published is little better than you'd expect by chance."

Upon tracking down the source article I find it contains the statement "In all cases consensus between various judges was higher than by chance-and in all cases it was higher for the 1551 articles than it was for the 489 that went to a hanging committee" and "consensus between readers was better, often much better, than by chance".

Funnily enough though, since that sort of rubbish was published, it does make a valid point

Course the part in his abstract still applies "Famously, it is compared with democracy: a system full of problems but the least worst we have."

[Katman]

Course the part in his abstract still applies "Famously, it is compared with democracy: a system full of problems but the least worst we have."

I could suggest that a form of self governance might be a better system than democracy.

Much like I believe relying on your own mental capacity to reach an informed decision beats relying on the opinions of others.

[bogan]

I could suggest that a form of self governance might be a better system than democracy.

Much like I believe relying on your own mental capacity to reach an informed decision beats relying on the opinions of others.

You could, but it does not mean you would be correct.

That is what peer review is about. See how I could trace back his train of logic to show exactly where he has misleadingly overstated the work of others? You can't do that with a youtube, and instead have to take the flawed work as truth or dismiss it entirely. Only by showing your working (as peer reviewed work demands) can there be a shared understanding.