Global warming?

[carbonhed]

Does that mean it's going to be raining next week?

They can't tell you that, or next month, or next year, or a decade out... but 50 or a 100 years into the future and they're golden.

[Ocean1]

Can't argue with that.

You argue cast iron facts every second time you open your mouth, it comes as no great shock that you can't argue the most controversial subject of modern times.

[mashman]

They can't tell you that, or next month, or next year, or a decade out... but 50 or a 100 years into the future and they're golden.

Well they've improved since the 70's. When I were a lad they could only do 30 years.

You argue cast iron facts every second time you open your mouth, it comes as no great shock that you can't argue the most controversial subject of modern times.

Bullshit is easier to challenge.

[swbarnett]

You wont stop climate change as long as there is Capitalism.

The rest is just semantics & schism.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...isis-needs-you

What a load of crap. You can't blame that on GW without wome serious investigation into the chemical make up of the tarmac. I would hazard a guess that the culprit is more likely a crap surface that has a melting point that's far too low. Hell, NZ's roads melt at if the ambient temperature in anything nearing the mid to high 20s.

[puddytat]

I take it you didn't read very far.....

[swbarnett]

I take it you didn't read very far.....

I read far enough to know that they were blaming GW for the plane sinking into the tarmac.

You'll have to enlighten me if there's anything in there to the contrary.

[george formby]

You wont stop climate change as long as there is Capitalism.

The rest is just semantics & schism.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...isis-needs-you

As long as there is consumerism anyhoo.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/67...hinas-internet

[Jantar]

They aren't scientists. They are dirty low life shills.

The recent announcement by the UN of the recording of the highest temperatures since records began (by approx .1 of a degree) were based on records presented by just such shills. ....

Make that "(by approx .01 of a degree)" and you would be closer to the claimed result. However, not all are dirty low life shills, a few are, a very few that is. Most climate scientists are involved in genuine research, and are not into the politics of the IPCC and the AGW claims.

If you read the research literature rather than the MSM you would get a totally different idea of what is happening to the climate. I.e. It is currently in a pause, or even cooling.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Make that "(by approx .01 of a degree)" and you would be closer to the claimed result. However, not all are dirty low life shills, a few are, a very few that is. Most climate scientists are involved in genuine research, and are not into the politics of the IPCC and the AGW claims.

If you read the research literature rather than the MSM you would get a totally different idea of what is happening to the climate. I.e. It is currently in a pause, or even cooling.

I do (a bit) and I know we're not warming As the IPC and UN would have us believe (through their promotion of falsely presented evidence). They have a big voice that 90+% of people believe to be gospel. What chance does the truth have when "Most climate scientists who are involved in genuine research, and who are not into the politics of the IPCC and the AGW claims" remain silent in the face of those lies which are said to represent their "science"? Whether the lie is based on a .1% or 0.1% lie, it's still a lie. The real unfalsifiable evidence does not support their lies, but the 0.1% lie does.

Until those "scientists" take control of the voice of their "science' and right this wrong, their "science" is nothing more than a fraud based on lies. That is the truth.

[Voltaire]

Highest temps recorded by me on a BMS ( Building Management System ) in East Tamaki this summer were in March, 26 degrees.

I noticed riding back into Auckland last Sunday how hot it was, suspect roads being black and absorbing heat is contributing to Global Warming, roads really need to be white to reflect the sun.

[yokel]

Highest temps recorded by me on a BMS ( Building Management System ) in East Tamaki this summer were in March, 26 degrees.

I noticed riding back into Auckland last Sunday how hot it was, suspect roads being black and absorbing heat is contributing to Global Warming, roads really need to be white to reflect the sun.

no need, global warming will put more moisture in the atmosphere that will produce more cloud over that will reflect the suns rays back out to space that will in turn make the planet cooler.

[Jantar]

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Trouble is, once temperatures start to average over 38C, human beans just can't take it. 'Taint that hot atm, but even where we are we now have 2 months at 35C + average and median...

The global average temperature is currently just under 14C. Each doubling of CO2 causes an increase of around 1.2C (on latest IPCC data) so to get to 38C would require the CO2 concentration to be doubled 20 times. Yes 2^20. As the present concentration is 400 ppm (0.0004) then to get to 2^20 times the present concentration would require 1048576 x 0.0004 ppm. You can check this yourself but that is 419 times more CO2 in the atmosphere than there is currently atmosphere in total. As O2 is only 21% of the atmosphere, where is the oxygen required to make this amount of CO2 going to come from?

[Jantar]

I have seen the evidence and can agree that the jet stream has shifted.

Yes, the jet stream has shifted. It is no longer where it was in 1990, or even in 1980, but it is exactly where it was in 1955. Remember that the idea of a jet stream came about during trans Atlantic flights in WW2. It was first described as a theory in 1947 by Namias, and expanded on in 1949 by Namais and Clapp. It wasn't confirmed until 1955, when it was actually measured and its wave nature mapped. It was then in the same locations as it is now, but had moved somewhat in between times. We do not yet have sufficient data to predict its behaviour over time, although it does show remarkable teleconnection with the main oceanic indices.

Climate change may be happening (it's certainly warmer in NZ than it was 40 years ago) but we the public can't be certain. My main point really is that the public at large doesn't really have a shits show of really knowing for sure either way because the debate has gotten far too political.

Yes it is. Particularly in the cities. But in most rural areas today's temperatures are very similar to 60 years ago. NIWA's 7 and 11 station series both show that most of New Zealand's warming happened prior to 1955. Anthropogenic Global Warming theory says that most warming should have been since 1955.

[carbonhed]

Rajendra Pachauri head of the UN IPCC has had to resign because he's a serial sex pest. With junior members of staff... as per.

In his resignation letter he says :- "For me, the protection of Planet Earth, the survival of all species and sustainability of our ecosystems is more than a mission. It is my religion and my dharma.”

So there's your dispassionate, objective, rational assesment of scientific evidence flushed by an ecotard douchebag.



Good to know the trillions the West is spending is in such good hands.

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doome...oped-97-women/

[swbarnett]

the survival of all species

This guy is away with the fairies. Extinction is a natural part of our ecosystem. I think we can be pretty he wouldn't want dinosaurs running loose in the modern world. Mind you, if they were humans would never have evolved anyway.