Same letter to Police Infringement Bureau, different outcome.

**jaykay** · 31st March 2015, 19:35

A strange situation, so bear with me.

My business partner and I just happened to pass through the same mobile speed camera within ten minutes of each other, last December. (In different cars I might add).

I spotted it, took pictures, and received an infringement notice for 55 in a 50, $30 fine.

He didn't, and received a notice for 56 in a 50, same $30 fine.

We both wrote in along the lines of "without a photograph to identify the alleged offence... a hearing is requested". Both letters sent to arrive just before the 28 day time limit for the Reminder Notice.

I was written to (with photo), saying could I confirm I wanted a hearing etc etc - and I could ask for one before the 28 days ran out. As it was passed this time - and I had requested a hearing, and whilst considering what to do I received a Notice of Fine for $60.

Business partner has been sent a summons (plus a photo) - nothing else.

So, I have to do the Form 57 bit, business partner will have to put up with the defence I have worked out (that may or may not work, magistrates in the District Court being what they are).

The camera van was parked near to the change in limit from 60 to 50 in Wigram, Christchurch.

55 in a 50! I feel like a proper criminal.

**liljegren** · 31st March 2015, 19:41

Just pay the bloody fine man! Sign says 50, you ignored it, you got nabbed, end.

**Akzle** · 31st March 2015, 19:50

power to the people!
Deny deny deny.

**FJRider** · 31st March 2015, 20:01

Originally Posted by jaykay

I was written to (with photo), saying could I confirm I wanted a hearing etc etc - and I could ask for one before the 28 days ran out. As it was passed this time - and I had requested a hearing, and whilst considering what to do I received a Notice of Fine for $60.

Business partner has been sent a summons (plus a photo) - nothing else.

So, I have to do the Form 57 bit, business partner will have to put up with the defence I have worked out (that may or may not work, magistrates in the District Court being what they are).

The camera van was parked near to the change in limit from 60 to 50 in Wigram, Christchurch.

55 in a 50! I feel like a proper criminal.

Such is due process of Law.

Don't pay the $60 and you will get a summons too ...

A hearing may not find you innocent ... because you were found traveling at a speed OVER the posted speed limit. Expect a larger fine if you DO get your hearing.

A speeding ticket means you have infringed part of the Legislation ... relating to the Land Transport Act. Any feelings of criminality you might have ... might need the attention/help of your local Mental health team.

Good luck with that.

**Murray** · 31st March 2015, 20:14

Jeez its not possible they have more than 1 person processing these is it????

**FJRider** · 31st March 2015, 20:18

Originally Posted by Murray

Jeez its not possible they have more than 1 person processing these is it????

Personally ... I would have paid the initial $30 ... considering there was NO denial of guilt (well not in this thread) ...

**FJRider** · 31st March 2015, 20:20

Originally Posted by Akzle

power to the people!
Deny deny deny.

No mention of a claim ... it was not HIM in the photo they sent ...

**Reckless** · 31st March 2015, 20:21

Originally Posted by jaykay

The camera van was parked near to the change in limit from 60 to 50 in Wigram, Christchurch.

How close isn't there a rule 250m?? also rules as to where they can set up cameras? Might be worth a look if you check it out?
If its 300m you never know the judge may take pity, does a cop have actually to go to court?

**thepom** · 1st April 2015, 00:02

As I understand it the police have to go to court if you put in a plea of not guilty, you don,t turn up! get a bigger fine but the policeman has wasted a bit of time but the good side is he wont handing out any tickets while he is there.......I would do that just to keep them off the road......it,s a traffic offence and its not as though he was out kicking in P houses doors and doing a proper job!

**Fastmark** · 1st April 2015, 06:40

So assuming that the correspondents you have been doing to try and get off of this was done during business hours, isn't that a waste of time, time is money etc.... If you spend even a couple of hours (based on minimum wage) on this you will have covered the original fine. You were speeding, cough up

**nodrog:Me** · 1st April 2015, 10:51

Originally Posted by Fastmark

So assuming that the correspondents you have been doing to try and get off of this was done during business hours, isn't that a waste of time, time is money etc.... If you spend even a couple of hours (based on minimum wage) on this you will have covered the original fine. You were speeding, cough up

Fuck I reckon, I just wasted more than that just reading this.

**Latte** · 1st April 2015, 10:59

Originally Posted by FJRider

Such is due process of Law.

Don't pay the $60 and you will get a summons too ...

A hearing may not find you innocent ... because you were found traveling at a speed OVER the posted speed limit. Expect a larger fine if you DO get your hearing.

A speeding ticket means you have infringed part of the Legislation ... relating to the Land Transport Act. Any feelings of criminality you might have ... might need the attention/help of your local Mental health team.

Good luck with that.

Sorry off-topic, and I'm sure it's been asked before on here, do you have conversations with people (like down at the pub, or at home with the missus etc), emphasising random words in a sentence? Reminds me of Tourette's for some reason.

**R650R** · 1st April 2015, 15:13

Originally Posted by thepom

As I understand it the police have to go to court if you put in a plea of not guilty, you don,t turn up! get a bigger fine but the policeman has wasted a bit of time but the good side is he wont handing out any tickets while he is there.......I would do that just to keep them off the road......it,s a traffic offence and its not as though he was out kicking in P houses doors and doing a proper job!

The cop will already be off the road, minor stuff like this will be assigned a traffic court date, which is just the local district court but a day set for minor stuff like this. I'd say a minor case like this would be at the back of the que while they deal with the disqualified drivers, careless use charges etc, boy racers.... worst case he might not be heard and have to come back the next week again!!!

So easily half a day wasted plus court costs of $150 and maybe even witness expenses if they have to call in the camera operator, just pay the fine....

**FJRider** · 1st April 2015, 17:03

Originally Posted by thepom

....it,s a traffic offence and its not as though he was out kicking in P houses doors and doing a proper job!

The speed camera operator wont be (unlikely to be) a general duties officer .... and a while back ... was not even a sworn officer. The job was contracted out ...