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    Quote Originally Posted by Yow Ling View Post
    And of course they left the S in
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    Well well well. The 107cc bit is now missing from the proposed amendment, if it was ever there. "If" it was ever proposed, and I have never seen it, you would think the proposer would have meant to allow increased capacity and retained the other advantages of the original F4 H2O 2T. If not then whoever proposed it is an idiot. Having said that, going that little bit bigger, retaining H2O, but being restricted to a 24mm carb is not such a silly trade-off.

    KT pistons with their miniscule oversize steps, watercooling, smaller capacity than the air-cooled 125 2Ts, and the same carb restriction. Essentially it would end up being a trade between 20cc and watercooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedpro View Post
    Well well well. The 107cc bit is now missing from the proposed amendment, if it was ever there.
    hilarious, absolutely hilarious. Well done Mr Ling, well done in deed

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    hilarious, absolutely hilarious. Well done Mr Ling, well done in deed
    Whaat, well you can't trust anybody these days, anyway its got me thinking and 7% allround is looking like a good idea. Maybe next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedpro View Post
    Well well well. The 107cc bit is now missing from the proposed amendment, if it was ever there.
    The 107cc thing is near the bottom of page 9.

    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post

    2015 Proposed Rule Changes for all RR Classes.

    Attachment 310428
    This is the original that I downloaded and posted on here yesterday.

    Probably affects Kart Track people the most, but Bucketeers better take a look at the crashing during a race proposed changes, page 4, 22.1.3 and have your say or there will be no coming back from a crash and winning the GP or finishing the 2 hour in the future, no matter how talented the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I've been thinking along the same lines for a couple of years now.
    7% does offer the best across the board rebore options.
    Keeps the 100s going
    Opens up a few more 125 options
    And the fours are happy too giving another oversize not currently an option...

    But man if someone has a bloody cry about this again the next decade
    Would 7% let in those forza155 shitters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedpro View Post
    Well well well. The 107cc bit is now missing from the proposed amendment, if it was ever there. "If" it was ever proposed, and I have never seen it
    Read the last line, no wonder there is so much trouble with the rules, nobody reads them

    Appendix D – MNZ Championship Classes
    ATV
    Senior
    All engines must be ATV Based (except Superquad)
    Championship Classes:
    Premier: 400 – 450cc Restricted to OEM chassis crankcase bore = stroke
    Veteran (40 years plus): 0 – 750cc Open
    Women (15 years plus): 0 – 750cc Open
    450cc Production – see restrictions in Chapter 11
    Open Trike
    Super Quad – Open Motorcycle Engine (Super Quads must be machine examined)
    ATV
    Junior
    All engines must be ATV based
    Championship Classes:
    125cc Production: 9-12 years – see restrictions in Chapter 11
    250cc Production: 10-16 years – see restrictions in Chapter 11
    9-12 years – Max Cap 100cc 2 stroke/165cc 4 stroke (Can be modified)
    12-14 years – Max Cap 100cc 2 stroke/165cc 4 stroke (Can be modified)
    ATV
    Mini
    Championship Class:
    7-11 years – Max Cap 100cc, air cooled, auto clutch (homologated)
    Support Classes:
    At any National or Island Championship, the host club may in addition to the Championship classes run the following support classes:
    Mini: 4-8 years 50cc Homologated
    Clubman: 0-750cc Open
    MINIATURE TT
    Senior
    Championship Classes:
    Class 7: ATV Premier
    Add - Class 10: ATV 450cc Production – see restrictions in Chapter 11
    Junior
    Championship Classes
    Class 9: ATV 250cc Production – see restrictions in Chapter 11
    Remove ‘Superstock 1000’ paragraph (after Tourist Trophy & Grand Prix Titles)
    SUPER MOTARD - to be made bold
    Add – Super Moto Open Class to the list of classes for Tourist Trophy & Grand Prix Titles
    Miniature Road Racing – The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be: F4 2 stroke 55-100cc – 107cc

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    Chapter 22 – Road Racing
    22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session crashed machines must be delivered to the Machine Examiners for re-examination and Gear Check before re-entering the circuit. Riders that continue after crashing must be reported to the Clerk of the Course.

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    New rules, man someone has done a fair bit of work..

    I wander how long until they force the integral belly pan / lower fairing oil tray into buckets...
    4.5l catch requirements might be a little over the top though, unless they think you might catch all the oil from the entire front row of the grid...

    Then there is the engine casing protection rules being added across the classes.

    If these rules pass for the bigger classes (which they likely will), expect the trickle down effect over the next couple of years. Maybe time to start thinking about how you would apply those rules in the future...
    Even suggest/remit a sensible set of parallel rules, before they are forced.....

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    oops, was only looking at the rule and not the appendix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucketracer View Post
    Chapter 22 – Road Racing
    22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session crashed machines must be delivered to the Machine Examiners for re-examination and Gear Check before re-entering the circuit. Riders that continue after crashing must be reported to the Clerk of the Course.

    In regards to proposed rule change:


    22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session crashed machines must be delivered to the Machine Examiners for reexamination and Gear Check before re-entering the circuit. Riders that continue after crashing must be reported to the Clerk of the Course.

    I think this is a good change for the safety of riders and I do support it overall, particularly on large and fast tracks.

    APPLICATION TO BUCKET RACING
    There has been discussion around bucket riders about how this applies to the racing we do. Currently any crashed bucket needs to be removed from the track and be inspected before being allowed to continue the session. This is because most cashes are low level crashes, mainly slow low sides. Any major crash red flags the race like normal.

    This rule change will likely have no real affect to our normal sprint races but will have a considerable affect to races like the 2 hour endurance race and the 40 lap Grand Prix we run every year. It is common for riders to come off, have their bike checked, and still complete the race. Sometimes they even come back and win the race still.

    PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE RULE CHANGE
    After discussion amongst the bucket community, we propose that this rule come with an exception for miniature road racing for races run only on go kart tracks. or other small low speed venues such as car parks, airfields etc.

    22.1.3a - Rule 22.1.3 does not apply to miniature road races held on go-kart race tracks or similar small and low speed racing venues. In this case, all machines that crash during a practice, qualifying or racing must be checked by the designated official before recommencing the session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post

    In regards to proposed rule change:


    22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session crashed machines must be delivered to the Machine Examiners for reexamination and Gear Check before re-entering the circuit. Riders that continue after crashing must be reported to the Clerk of the Course.

    I think this is a good change for the safety of riders and I do support it overall, particularly on large and fast tracks.

    APPLICATION TO BUCKET RACING
    There has been discussion around bucket riders about how this applies to the racing we do. Currently any crashed bucket needs to be removed from the track and be inspected before being allowed to continue the session. This is because most cashes are low level crashes, mainly slow low sides. Any major crash red flags the race like normal.

    This rule change will likely have no real affect to our normal sprint races but will have a considerable affect to races like the 2 hour endurance race and the 40 lap Grand Prix we run every year. It is common for riders to come off, have their bike checked, and still complete the race. Sometimes they even come back and win the race still.

    PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE RULE CHANGE
    After discussion amongst the bucket community, we propose that this rule come with an exception for miniature road racing for races run only on go kart tracks. or other small low speed venues such as car parks, airfields etc.

    22.1.3a - Rule 22.1.3 does not apply to miniature road races held on go-kart race tracks or similar small and low speed racing venues. In this case, all machines that crash during a practice, qualifying or racing must be checked by the designated official before recommencing the session.
    Be sure to define 'crash'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Be sure to define 'crash'.
    A NON-intentional stopping on the circuit ... derived from loss of control or contact with another rider ... by the rider.
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    That's a bad definition. Running off the track a bit would count. Or a counter would be "oh I intended to do that"
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