Atgatt

[Paul in NZ]

Why bother with safety gear if you are only one more big mack away from a friggin stroke anyway....

[Big Dog]

Recent short ride to school with helmet and boots only (hot day) gave me an insight into the pleasure of riding with minimal gear but in the back of my mind was "I had better not come off..."
For the ease of adding a jacket with vents open and gloves (my trousers were heavy duty denim) I still reckon ATGATT is the responsible thing to do. Riders are responsible for their own well being and if that means so little to them then it's hard to make an argument for ATGATT that they'll take notice of.

Never quite gone that far. I have done a grundy run though.
( helmet, undies, boots) through NP in winter.

Polytechnic. It ain't uni but the dares are the same.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[PrincessBandit]

Never quite gone that far. I have done a grundy run though.
( helmet, undies, boots) through NP in winter.

Polytechnic. It ain't uni but the dares are the same.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Ok, I hadn't thought that through when I was typing... Lady Godiva I certainly ain't!! (Much to the relief of the general population)

[Big Dog]

Ok, I hadn't thought that through when I was typing... Lady Godiva I certainly ain't!! (Much to the relief of the general population)

Much to the relief of the general population. my last grundy run was 20 years and 30 kilos ago.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

Riders are responsible for their own well being and if that means so little to them then it's hard to make an argument for ATGATT that they'll take notice of.

ATGATT is all very well but I'd rather be riding naked with my head in the game than in "full" gear with my brain in neutral.

[Berries]

MOTGMOTT then? Works for me.

SOTGATT works for me, I just don't preach to anyone else. If you don't crash it is all irrelevant anyway. Crashing is the problem, everything else is just window dressing BS. And to be honest who really wears ATGATT? On the road I would suggest nobody does.

[Racing Dave]

ATGATT is all very well but I'd rather be riding naked with my head in the game than in "full" gear with my brain in neutral.

They aren't the only two options - ATGATT and head in the game is another.

[Racing Dave]

SOTGATT works for me, I just don't preach to anyone else. If you don't crash it is all irrelevant anyway. Crashing is the problem, everything else is just window dressing BS. And to be honest who really wears ATGATT? On the road I would suggest nobody does.

Your suggester needs recalibrating - plenty of riders do.

[Ender EnZed]

Your suggester needs recalibrating - plenty of riders do.

I've yet to meet anyone who wears a back protector, chest protector, neck brace and air bag jacket (+the rest) on every ride.

[Old Steve]

Why bother with safety gear if you are only one more big mack away from a friggin stroke anyway....

Is that a Big Mac, as in eating unhealthy food
or
Big Mack, as in target fixation when seeing a large truck coming the other way?

Picked a guy up out of the gutter after he'd slid off on some diesel on a roundabout. He'd been wearing thongs (it was in Australia), beach shorts, tee shirt, no gloves, and the only PPE he was wearing was the mandatory helmet. Injuries spread from toes (he did still have ten of them but they weren't in the best of condition, calves, knee (some of the white structural stuff was very evident), thigh and hip (lots of red stuff around the area), shoulder (very much like the thigh and hip) and hands (well you do automatically put your hands down don't you when you fall over).

We put a picnic blanket on the passenger's seat and took him to the base hospital, the nurse on reception took one look at him, his injuries, and us holding his helmet and said, "Oh, self inflicted injuries huh, take a seat and we'll get to you."

I did wear ATGATT before that incident, and I sure as hell do now.

[swbarnett]

They aren't the only two options - ATGATT and head in the game is another.

Agreed. But if you're only going to have one the head is by far the better option.

It seems from what is written that a lot of KBers believe in protective gear as a panacea i.e. as long as you're dressed right the nothing else matters.

[swbarnett]

Your suggester needs recalibrating - plenty of riders do.

That depends on your definition of "ATG". Does that stop short of or include back & chest protector, airbag jacket and any amount of cotton wool you care to mention.

[F5 Dave]

Agreed. But if you're only going to have one the head is by far the better option.

It seems from what is written that a lot of KBers believe in protective gear as a panacea i.e. as long as you're dressed right the nothing else matters.

No its just you making that up.

Plenty of people have crashed & thought; ouch that hurts, & bought better gear but not let go of the desire not to crash . Those of us that race usually have decent race gear & crashing is a likely consequence from time to time when pushing the envelope. It still hurts, but better gear makes the pain usually less, not always. You begin to notice that on the road there are no hay-bales on the lamp posts & cars are much worse than the loose units you encounter on the track. Best update the road gear.

So I dispute your argument as illogical. Why would you limit yourself to just one? Its just a silly argument to ignore the original premise. Simple risk management. It is a risky pursuit but I still want to do it, lets reduce the risk as much as practicable within what you consider reasonable limits, such as money & the amount of attn. you think you can maintain over long distances.

[swbarnett]

No its just you making that up.

No, it's just the impression given when gear is discussed to the exclusion of all else. When anyone pipes up saying that they've chosen not to wear XYZ and mitigate the risks with their brain they're often vilified.

Plenty of people have crashed & thought; ouch that hurts, & bought better gear but not let go of the desire not to crash . Those of us that race usually have decent race gear & crashing is a likely consequence from time to time when pushing the envelope. It still hurts, but better gear makes the pain usually less, not always. You begin to notice that on the road there are no hay-bales on the lamp posts & cars are much worse than the loose units you encounter on the track. Best update the road gear.

This just proves my point. The only thought that you have put here is to update your gear. Did you also think "best not crash"?

So I dispute your argument as illogical. Why would you limit yourself to just one?

I'm not sure what you think my "argument" is. Yes, it's safer to have both. All I'm saying is that IF you're only going to have one better to have the brain.

lets reduce the risk as much as practicable within what you consider reasonable limits, such as money & the amount of attn. you think you can maintain over long distances.

I totally agree. It's just that "what you consider reasonable limits" changes with the individual. One cannot say what this is for another.

[F5 Dave]

. . . .

This just proves my point. The only thought that you have put here is to update your gear. Did you also think "best not crash"?

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To quote myself

& bought better gear but not let go of the desire not to crash . ..

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I'm not sure what you think my "argument" is. Yes, it's safer to have both. All I'm saying is that IF you're only going to have one better to have the brain.
. . .

But why would you say that? Did your gear get stolen or shrink in the wash and you have to get somewhere before you turn into a pumpkin?
If you had to eat a cup full of poos or a handful of maggots what would be better? Who cares? Perhaps you could eat the Big Mac mentioned above. Or better still get some real food.

It all just seems like circular arguments constrained for no real reason.