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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    I meant the whole national safety caboodle. Including probably 10% extra labour involved.

    Have you seen the reaction when they start talking about spending less?
    If they are not borrowing reducing health or pensions they will be sweet.
    There is plenty of fat in the system like how much did the asset sales actually cost.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blue rider View Post


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    Nonsense.

    The Domestic Purposes Benefit did not exist in 1961.

    It was a new and revolutionary welfare change which began in 1974.

    Mrs Key was supported by her husband and when he left, whatever child and spousal maintenance he could afford. Often it was sod all which is why the DPB eventually came into being.

    When John Key's father died, Mrs Key might have been entitled to a small widows pension.

    The reality in those days is that separated/widowed women had it bloody tough and scraped up cleaning jobs or whatever to feed their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    If they are not borrowing reducing health or pensions they will be sweet.
    There is plenty of fat in the system like how much did the asset sales actually cost.
    Oh yeah, I've never met anyone who didn't have better ideas about how govt should spend their money.

    Dunno about pensions but health spending has increased every year for the last decade or more. Mostly because they keep inventing new and expensive ways to keep people alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Nonsense.

    The Domestic Purposes Benefit did not exist in 1961.

    It was a new and revolutionary welfare change which began in 1974.

    Mrs Key was supported by her husband and when he left, whatever child and spousal maintenance he could afford. Often it was sod all which is why the DPB eventually came into being.

    When John Key's father died, Mrs Key might have been entitled to a small widows pension.

    The reality in those days is that separated/widowed women had it bloody tough and scraped up cleaning jobs or whatever to feed their kids.
    Ah come on, you're spoiling all that righteous indignation!

    My grandmother raised 6 of her 9 kids by selling what shellfish she could collect and what sewing repair work the neighbourhood gave her. Couple of the girls had after-school jobs and one of the boys made a quid or so shooting rabbits but it wasn't much help. She was eligible for the Mayoral relief fund, which at the time amounted to a sack of spuds every couple of months and a sack of coal or two through winter. That was the sum total of official help for a widower not all that long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Oh yeah, I've never met anyone who didn't have better ideas about how govt should spend their money.

    Dunno about pensions but health spending has increased every year for the last decade or more. Mostly because they keep inventing new and expensive ways to keep people alive.
    Imagine how much it will go up when Pharmac is dismantled and they are forced to buy non generics. Great deal for US again



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Imagine how much it will go up when Pharmac is dismantled and they are forced to buy non generics. Great deal for US again
    Pharmac doesn't need to be dismantled in order to prevent parallel imports. And while there's a bunch of stuff they buy far cheaper from suppliers other than the original developers there's actually very few that are affected by international legal constraints. So unless someone's re-writing patent law the damage, while painful shouldn't be huge. I'm interested in the changes in NZ law that made parallel importing possible way back, I never did understand the details.

    I must say I approve of the concept of patents in general but the US patent system has some wrinkles that favour US patents over those of other countries. It's a minefield. And that's without considering how long should patents apply for? And how "different" from existing technology should an applicant need to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Pharmac doesn't need to be dismantled in order to prevent parallel imports. And while there's a bunch of stuff they buy far cheaper from suppliers other than the original developers there's actually very few that are affected by international legal constraints. So unless someone's re-writing patent law the damage, while painful shouldn't be huge. I'm interested in the changes in NZ law that made parallel importing possible way back, I never did understand the details.

    I must say I approve of the concept of patents in general but the US patent system has some wrinkles that favour US patents over those of other countries. It's a minefield. And that's without considering how long should patents apply for? And how "different" from existing technology should an applicant need to be?
    Excuse me, the government is in the process of signing us all up to a deal are you unaware of that?



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Excuse me, the government is in the process of signing us all up to a deal are you unaware of that?
    Yes. They're re-writing patent law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Yes. They're re-writing patent law?
    No...........they are rewriting the free market. Its a brave new world........I wonder where it will land us.

    Think about it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I've got it down to about 50 minutes in average traffic (thats all the way to Penrose), 40 in no traffic and 1 hour in heavy traffic
    You need to lift your game. If there is more than 2mins difference between traffic and no-traffic there is a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    The DPB is not furnished so that a single parent can have MORE children after those circumstances have happened...
    After the FIRST childbirth the people involved can "normally" realise where it originated from. Perhaps we need to follow the chinese example of single childbirth - and especially so with regards to the taxpayer funding this. If people want more kids (catholics, muslims, etc) then they can finance them by themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Ah, there you are Pocahontas. I see you've brought me shit for dinner again.

    You really are a strange one. Have you consulted your mental health care professional recently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    No...........they are rewriting the free market. Its a brave new world........I wonder where it will land us.

    Think about it.
    I occasionally do. And we'll soon know whether the new market will be more or less free. If it's influenced by people wanting to be protected from competition it'll be less free. Which certainly seems to be the general US trend of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    I occasionally do. And we'll soon know whether the new market will be more or less free. If it's influenced by people wanting to be protected from competition it'll be less free. Which certainly seems to be the general US trend of late.
    Yes, By the time we do know for sure what most have prophesied it will be too late. bop bop bop ............
    https://youtu.be/tvtJPs8IDgU

    Sometimes what the free market dictates is a bit less about freedom and more about a dictatorship "husaberg 2015"



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Yes, By the time we do know for sure what most have prophesied it will be too late. bop bop bop ............
    https://youtu.be/tvtJPs8IDgU

    Sometimes what the free market dictates is a bit less about freedom and more about a dictatorship "husaberg 2015"
    Look on the bright side, maybe pirates will become gainfully employed again running un-customed goods up and down the coast.

    A free market is free by definition, but it's not uncommon for changes to be made or pursued in the name of market freedom that are in fact the opposite. It's not difficult to spot the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Look on the bright side, maybe pirates will become gainfully employed again running un-customed goods up and down the coast.

    A free market is free by definition, but it's not uncommon for changes to be made or pursued in the name of market freedom that are in fact the opposite. It's not difficult to spot the difference.
    The only reason it would be difficult to spot is it is being sold to us in secret by people that are meant to put the countries best interests first.
    Someone's certainly been selling something to get a buy in on it. Oh well The silverware is going, so why not get rid of the medical cabinet to boot.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post

    You really are a strange one. Have you consulted your mental health care professional recently?
    ... yes, my kids think such strangeness amusing. Thanks for asking.
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