Yet another ATGATT thread

[Akzle]

One of the key tenets of NZ Police these days is "Prevention First" which goes beyond simply enforcing the law, and encourages efforts to prevent road trauma and crime victimisation etc.

you clearly havent had much to do with them then!

the first tenet is "reclaim the budget from the denizens"
..the second has something to do with donuts and the third is about not actually catching any fucken criminals and circle jerking the old-boys' club to cover their own asses.

also law ≠ legislation, but hey, ignorance is an excuse... or not, actually.

[Akzle]

I will accept a legal rider being stopped for a gear lecture when car drivers are stopped for a lecture on the benefits of four-point harnesses and curtain air-bags (etc.).

and i will not.

[swbarnett]

In a serious accident not of your making ... end responsibility may not be your call ... only blame for your choice of actions.

I hold strongly to the principle that IF I ever get into a serious accident (or any accident for that matter) the responsibility for my injuries is mine and mine alone (legal culpability is another matter). I have avoided a few accidents that a number on here would hold to be unavoidable because I keep my head in the game. No amount of gear will save you from an accident (apart from saving you from the affects of weather) and some may even cause one in the right circumstances (see my earlier comments re heat).

[samgab]

on a side note.. I was riding on the highway the other day and saw something come off the back of a truck up ahead. was floating in the air and looked to be blowing off to the side of the road. Next thing I was covered in a decent sized piece of black pallet wrap on the inside lane at 100km, visor and helmet covered, caught on front point of bike, and it wrapped around my handlebars making it quite tricky to pull my levers. Had zero visibility, and couldn't pull it off me as my hands were tangled.

Know hazards should all be avoidable, but sure as hell didn't see that happening. Was thankful to all the drivers around me who could obviously see what was going on who gave me enough space to slow and make my way over to the shoulder to get unwrapped. If I had fucked up my reaction I would have been slightly relieved to be wearing full gear. I guess my last stuff-up taught me how to react better in a situation rather than panic as I assume I did in the past.

Wow, that's freakin' scary. Good skills staying upright with all that going on!
Your story reminded me of this: (Not plastic wrap, but also unpredictable and unpreventable (by the rider at least), and he did well to come to a stop upright)

[Katman]

BTW: I've NEVER been stopped anywhere on my bike for the purposes of telling me that my gear wasn't up to scratch.

That'll be because of the matching his and hers jackets.

They never go out of fashion.

[swbarnett]

and i will not.

Yeah, even then it would be a hard pill to swallow. At least there would be some consistency though.

[scumdog]

That'll be because of the matching his and hers jackets.

They never go out of fashion.

But the ones you saw weren't motorcycle ones...

And the motorcycle ones don't match.

[nzspokes]

I hold strongly to the principle that IF I ever get into a serious accident (or any accident for that matter) the responsibility for my injuries is mine and mine alone (legal culpability is another matter).

So you wont claim ACC then?

[nzspokes]

and i will not.

Well no you wont. You would need a running car or motorcycle for that to happen.

[nzspokes]

They can be one in the same. Ride across Death Valley in full race leathers and see how long you last before passing out from heat stroke. Some of us don't react well to heat (even Auckland summers can be a problem).


I passed out once in this fashion many years ago while stopped at the lights on a bicycle. I rode the rest of the way to work with the helmet on my arm.

Which is why they make gear with vents. Go look in a motorcycle shop, its amazing what they have these days....

[Akzle]

Well no you wont. You would need a running car or motorcycle for that to happen.

bro, havent you seen my fuelly?

[swbarnett]

So you wont claim ACC then?

How does that follow? Just because I hold myself responsible for my own safety doesn't mean I won't take advantage of what I'm entitled to. You seem to be confusing responsibility with culpability.

[swbarnett]

Which is why they make gear with vents. Go look in a motorcycle shop, its amazing what they have these days....

Yes, it is better than it was. And I haven't had that problem for a while now. Although I still ride without the over-trousers often in high summer (I haven't seen any trousers with vents).




I will re-iterate again that I never ride without helmet, jacket, gloves and boots. My only premise is that the brain is more important than the gear that and the choice of what to wear is personal.

[Katman]

You seem to be confusing......

swbarnett meet nzspokes.

[nzspokes]

Yes, it is better than it was. And I haven't had that problem for a while now. Although I still ride without the over-trousers often in high summer (I haven't seen any trousers with vents).




I will re-iterate again that I never ride without helmet, jacket, gloves and boots. My only premise is that the brain is more important than the gear that and the choice of what to wear is personal.

http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/sty...airwavest.aspx

HTH