When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[scumdog]

or when I came back to this time the world would be completely different....probably run by Azxle

Oy-vey, Heaven forbid that should happen!

[Virago]

When is it right for the state to do something that it would be wrong for an individual to do?

If it is wrong for an individual to kill, why is it right for the state to kill?

Does the punishment fit the crime?

Using your logic, is it right for the state to imprison someone for imprisoning someone in their basement? To fine someone for stealing money?

[Ocean1]

So - three traffic tickets and you lose your licence permanently? Haven't you demonstrated that you are unwilling to obey the road rules?

Sense of proportion required, a traffic ticket costs me about the time I saved speeding in the first place.

Actual crime, however needs to be managed by a warning for a first offense, temporary removal from society for a second and permanent removal for a third.

Lock 'em up by all means, but don't ask me to pay for it.

[friday]

^^^ they dont ask , you just pay !!




schools = liability
privatised prisons = investment

[Akzle]

Sense of proportion required, a traffic ticket costs me about the time I saved speeding in the first place.

Actual crime, however needs to be managed by a warning for a first offense, temporary removal from society for a second and permanent removal for a third.

Lock 'em up by all means, but don't ask me to pay for it.

whose proportion?

"the cost to you".. fuck you. what about the cost to society?
fucking narcissist.

by speeding you endanger everyone you travel past (so the theory goes).

your danger to society is great. far greater than the "cost to you" if/when you get caught.


fuck you're a dick.

[mashman]

When it's legitimised.

[Ocean1]

whose proportion?

"the cost to you".. fuck you. what about the cost to society?
fucking narcissist.

by speeding you endanger everyone you travel past (so the theory goes).

your danger to society is great. far greater than the "cost to you" if/when you get caught.


fuck you're a dick.

No son, a dick is someone who reckons rules he doesn't believe apply to himself can be applied to someone else.

Me, I take responsibility for the effect of my actions on others. So far the score shows the only losers are those that reckon everyone else owes them a living. Dick.

[FJRider]

... Lock 'em up by all means, but don't ask me to pay for it.

Simple economics ... it's cheaper to inject them with lead ... than jail them.

The Death penalty for various offences in that region is well known and well publicised ... the clever/skilled one's never get caught.



Now where have I heard THAT before ...

[Akzle]

No son, a dick is someone who reckons rules he doesn't believe apply to himself can be applied to someone else.

Me, I take responsibility for the effect of my actions on others. So far the score shows the only losers are those that reckon everyone else owes them a living. Dick.

who believes that meow?

[mossy1200]

War is a form of capital punishment.
Killing the local problems makes more economic sense than killing problems further a field.
Not a comment about wrong or right. Just a comment that why is one ok and the other not for guberments.

If you want to risk it all in a country that will kill you haven't you earned the right to be punished?

[Erelyes]

When is it right for the state to do something that it would be wrong for an individual to do?

Whoever said it was wrong for an individual to kill? Apart from Moses.

Say a hunter comes home to find some fuckwit baling his wife & kids up against a wall with a gun pointed at 'em... are you gonna tell this man that shooting that fuckwit was wrong?

the world would be completely different....probably run by Azxle

We're talking capital punishment here, not cruel and unusual.

But then the fucking do gooders would still want to pander to them and have them rehabilitated back into society! - FFS!

Some 'people' (to use the term loosely) are beyond help.

More and more countries are moving away from the death penalty Pritch and for some of the reasons you've outlined plus what MisterD and Banditbandit posted about.

The main thing against capital punishment (fact wise, not emotion wise), in the US at least, is that it costs more to execute someone than to just jail 'em for life.

However, I read an article recently that stated an infallible capital punishment system wasn't possible. I can dig up if you want.

Not surprising. There is no perfect justice system full fuckin' stop. So what? Are you arguing that it's OK to wrongly imprison the odd person for life without chance of parole, but not to execute them?

[husaberg]

Thinking about the men who have just been executed for drug offences, I wondered why anyone would put themselves in that position knowing the consequences. Regardless of whether you agre with a country's right to impose capital punishment surely you would not flout their laws when you could end up on the wrong side of them??

The answer is GREED

It got me thinking about whether there is any crime that is bad enough to warrant someone's life being taken. Oh sure, human nature is such that when you personalise the effects of heinous crimes (e.g. "what if it happened to my son/sister/uncle/daughter") our grief would demand justice or revenge, depending on how noble you wanted to be.
But is there really a line which can be drawn in the sand to say at what point a crime crosses over into the ultimate punishment bracket?
My heart goes out to the families who now have to grieve not only for what their sons have done but also now they've lost their lives as a consequence.

What crimes do you feel are bad enough to deserve execution?

The third one.

After the first two they've already demonstrated they're not willing or capable of living with the rest of us.

The first thing to add to this is that time and time again the Death Penalty has shown to not be a detterant.

For me however - I support the Death Penalty - there is a certain class of criminal who poses such a risk to civilisation should they ever be freed, that the only option is execution:

Serial killers
Serial Rapists
Serial pedophiles
Serial Drink Drivers


(okay the last one is a bit harsh, but when you hear of people on their 4th or 5th DUI, it is clear they aren't getting the hint and are therefore too stupid to live on this planet)

I'd add in white collar criminals they are just as destructive but get buggar all, Yet they steal and ruin peoples lives.
Also add all Psychopaths that have committed their second criminal offence.
If someone objects to any of them being executed they can raise the money to pay for the convicts accommodation on death row for the rest of their life's. Seems fair to me.
Get rid of the bad apples before they go to seed.

[Grashopper]

True, but the family of someone who is murdered are "punished" as well.

Hypothetically, we are talking about serial killers, rapists, pedophiles here. Just wondering how nice of a person they would be towards their family.

Too expensive to send that far way.

Waiheke.

Too nice. How about White Island?

[Flip]

"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone."

[mossy1200]

"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone."

Stoning people is a bit barbaric.