Black boxes on bikes?

[Ender EnZed]

I have a black box on my private bike.

I keep my gloves in it when I'm not riding.

Just sayin.

Sorry team, I'm becoming more and more frivolous as my big day becons.

Is it your lucky piece of liquorice?

[Flip]

I have been expermenting with GPS location tracking using APRS (auto position reporting system) on both the cellular and digital repeater network.

The rozza are targeting the company I work for. A short while ago I was stoped and interogated by a snake who claimed I was seen speeding. He will be in for a suprise next time.

[mossy1200]

Not sure any company selling 1k superbikes will drop a crime prevention black box into it. Would be like marketplace suicide.
If you had black box with 4km tolerance everyone would gain 100 penalty points within days. Still no licence means no speeding. Country would go broke but we wouldn't crash.

[R650R]

Big difference is that this is an app on your phone, that you control, and you have a gaurantee data will never be shared with authorities or used to determine fault in a claim.

The idea of little black boxes being installed into cars or bikes though would have me worried.

When it comes to a serious crash investigation that guarantee wont mean shit, Police powers of investigation trump any trivial privacy offered as courtesy by private vendors.
Also they might not use data to determine fault but they sure as hell will use it as fraud investigation if your story doesn't match the data.
People should ignore these apps, you can get a decent discount/deal with good broker without helping mainstream bigbrother.

BTW all cars (and prob bikes) manufactured for the USA market since 2005 have black box with remote engine kill by govt mandate. Since many of these are part of the engine CPUU they are probably in other markets like NZ as well. The technology is not active yet due to political reasons but its there in those vehicles.

[R650R]

I have been expermenting with GPS location tracking using APRS (auto position reporting system) on both the cellular and digital repeater network.

The rozza are targeting the company I work for. A short while ago I was stoped and interogated by a snake who claimed I was seen speeding. He will be in for a suprise next time.

Do NOT mention your GPS to the cop, that then gives them probably cause to seize the records and cross examine against (assume your in truck) logbook.
The last guy I knew who did that ended up in court and lucky to get off on technicality...

[eldog]

When it comes to a serious crash investigation that guarantee wont mean shit, Police powers of investigation trump any trivial privacy offered as courtesy by private vendors.
Also they might not use data to determine fault but they sure as hell will use it as fraud investigation if your story doesn't match the data.
People should ignore these apps, you can get a decent discount/deal with good broker without helping mainstream bigbrother.

BTW all cars (and prob bikes) manufactured for the USA market since 2005 have black box with remote engine kill by govt mandate. Since many of these are part of the engine CPUU they are probably in other markets like NZ as well. The technology is not active yet due to political reasons but its there in those vehicles.

Yep, investigation overrides all other guarantees

Just as well we dont have a guilty until proven innocent justice system

Definitely this was a big selling point being able to remotely shut down the motor. A friend on mine was quite proud of the fact as he worked near the LA airport, car theft was prevalent then.

A few years later a company I worked for brought a vehicle for testing, the agent told him the next day exactly what it had been doing, position, speed, temp etc, just as well we didnt do any burn outs aye.

[Robbo]

Black Box on motorcycles you say?

Looks like it has already been done..

[Flip]

Do NOT mention your GPS to the cop, that then gives them probably cause to seize the records and cross examine against (assume your in truck) logbook.
The last guy I knew who did that ended up in court and lucky to get off on technicality...

Good fucking luck to them. The data is stored on a computer at a ham radio operators house in Sweden, I have access. I doubt mr plod has the ability or inclination to get it. Its also a fucking long way from the donut shop.

[eldog]

Good fucking luck to them. The data is stored on a computer at a ham radio operators house in Sweden, I have access. I doubt mr plod has the ability or inclination to get it. Its also a fucking long way from the donut shop.

awesome, got to get a CAPEX for a worldwide donut run, seeking out donut shops along the way not the chocolate ones.
Now how can I organise a bike ride between each shoppe.
any one else coming?

[R650R]

Good fucking luck to them. The data is stored on a computer at a ham radio operators house in Sweden, I have access. I doubt mr plod has the ability or inclination to get it. Its also a fucking long way from the donut shop.

You have access. When Plod turns up and tells you to hand over the records/access forthwith (that's plod speak for do it right now bitch or they'll be trouble) you will do it or be charged with obstruction/withholding evidence etc...
No different to seizing emails/text messages that may be on foreign servers also.

[Akzle]

You have access. When Plod turns up and tells you to hand over the records/access forthwith you will do it or be charged with obstruction/withholding evidence etc...

help the police. right.

one has the right not to incriminate themselves... even under legislation.

as for obstruction, that one is so hilariously bullshit that i just

[pritch]

You have access. When Plod turns up and tells you to hand over the records/access forthwith (that's plod speak for do it right now bitch or they'll be trouble) you will do it or be charged with obstruction/withholding evidence etc...

So I'm a bit puzzled as to how the cops here would know anyone had data stored on a computer in Sweden? Assuming that someone was not so stupid as to actually tell them.

In the USA cops don't like being filmed despite the fact that it's completely legal. They will sometimes seize or just destroy the phone. There was a recent clip of a US Marshall taking a phone off a woman bystander, stamping on it repeatedly, then kicking it down the footpath. He didn't see the other guy filming from across the road.

So now the protesters, and other interested parties, use an app that instantly uploads video to the 'Net as it's being recorded.
No longer can the police destroy incriminating evidence simply by destroying a phone.

[eldog]

So I'm a bit puzzled as to how the cops here would know anyone had data stored on a computer in Sweden? Assuming that someone was not so stupid as to actually tell them.

In the USA cops don't like being filmed despite the fact that it's completely legal. They will sometimes seize or just destroy the phone. There was a recent clip of a US Marshall taking a phone off a woman bystander, stamping on it repeatedly, then kicking it down the footpath. He didn't see the other guy filming from across the road.

So now the protesters, and other interested parties, use an app that instantly uploads video to the 'Net as it's being recorded.
No longer can the police destroy incriminating evidence simply by destroying a phone.

Seize the phone, check the web addresses etc, seize you home and work stuff

Ah yes, so you would think. there is the internet police as well.
Were is the internet run from exactly?
Why is there so much cyber hacking etc and it is being run by whom?
I often think the antivirus community is just a lot of guys sitting around devising viruses and finding solutions for us to pay for.

Make s you think how much of the computers processing power is used to do stuff such as antivirus, maliscious software checks, updates, system searches (windows 8.1) etc
compared to what we the user actually use it for.

[R650R]

help the police. right.

one has the right not to incriminate themselves... even under legislation.

as for obstruction, that one is so hilariously bullshit that i just

The right to remain silent is about all that is barely left. However even that goes against you as it looks like you have something to hide if you don't engage in a constructive dialogue and they have other evidence/indicators/witnesses etc...
There's a lot of shite on TV cop shows like citizens arrest etc that bears no reality to our modern day real rights...

[R650R]

So I'm a bit puzzled as to how the cops here would know anyone had data stored on a computer in Sweden? Assuming that someone was not so stupid as to actually tell them.

In the USA cops don't like being filmed despite the fact that it's completely legal. They will sometimes seize or just destroy the phone. There was a recent clip of a US Marshall taking a phone off a woman bystander, stamping on it repeatedly, then kicking it down the footpath. He didn't see the other guy filming from across the road.

So now the protesters, and other interested parties, use an app that instantly uploads video to the 'Net as it's being recorded.
No longer can the police destroy incriminating evidence simply by destroying a phone.

All my posts in reply to this issue inferred that the prospective defendant told the cops as it was originally mentioned as data to back a defence by the the poster concerned and in the case I reffered to.

Yes American cops don't like being filmed, which makes it even more bizarre in that shooting case that they didn't engage in witness intimidation/phone smashing. I mean how does one cold bloodily shoot an unarmed offender in the back then not try and destroy the evidence that will lock them up or death penalty....