Yet another ATGATT thread

[Tazz]

And this is relevant how? I only wanted to know if RC would apply his evangelism evenly or if he's actually prejudice against motorcyclists. His lack of response would suggest to me that perhaps he doesn't want to answer the question.

Probably more like a quota on how many pedantic wankers the fuzz has to talk to in a day being reached before lunch.

Would it be a big deal if someone stopped to you educate you a little on the dangers of riding your bike without wearing any safety gear, or maybe you're on the end of a chain saw or weed eater and had someone point out how chaps can save you leg/s/life or safety glasses your eye with you still having the freedom to ignore them?
Maybe you already know everything there is to know about everything but I'm sure there are a few people who don't who benefit from a bit of knowledge being passed their way before a potential accident that will highlight things in a more dramatic way, all still with the choice ignore what is said.

Better than being pulled up and given a ticket for you rego being out, because that is just living too dangerously.

[Katman]

Would it be a big deal if someone stopped to you educate you a little on the dangers of riding your bike without wearing any safety gear....

Yes it would be.

They'd be told to mind their own fucking business.

[Tazz]

Yes it would be.

They'd be told to mind their own fucking business.

And? Where's the big deal bit? Or are you that precious?

[Katman]

Where's the big deal bit?

Them not minding their own business.

[Tazz]

Them not minding their own business.

[Zedder]

Them not minding their own business.

Yep, I agree with that.

[Katman]

If the amount of effort that's put into pushing the ATGATT barrow was put into trying to change the attitude that seems to suggest it's perfectly acceptable for motorcyclists to live out their Rossi fantasies on public roads, we might actually get somewhere.

There is far more to be gained by encouraging motorcyclists to open their eyes and switch on their brains than worrying about what they're wearing.

[Tazz]

If the amount of effort that's put into pushing the ATGATT barrow was put into trying to change the attitude that seems to suggest it's perfectly acceptable for motorcyclists to live out their Rossi fantasies on public roads, we might actually get somewhere.

There is far more to be gained by encouraging motorcyclists to open their eyes and switch on their brains than worrying about what they're wearing.

Same cop that passed on a bit of info about safety gear also hands out the option of doing rider training instead of tickets where he can/could. Is that not doing exactly what you've said above?

There is also a lot of opportunity to get on a track in NZ. You can only do so much for some people.

I'm sure you were never young, dumb and full of cum making bad decisions no matter how much good advice you got either, but the rest of the population has had their moments ignoring commonsense and sound advice in favour of learning the hard way.

[Katman]

Same cop that passed on a bit of info about safety gear also hands out the option of doing rider training instead of tickets where he can/could. Is that not doing exactly what you've said above?

And handing out the option of a training course instead of a ticket is a great initiative.

He should stick to that though.

As long as the rider is wearing a helmet, the rest of it is not his concern - especially considering the rider in the original post was pulled over for nothing other than the ATGATT lecture.

[Tazz]

And handing out the option of a training course instead of a ticket is a great initiative.

He should stick to that though.

As long as the rider is wearing a helmet, the rest of it is not his concern - especially considering the rider in the original post was pulled over for nothing other than the ATGATT lecture.

Better pulled over for rego and WOF check? Or breath tested for the hell of it? They can pull you over for almost anything the way it is and I know I would rather be politely informed that my kevlar jandals and budgie smugglers might not be the best attire for riding than pulled over for the former.
Like you I would rather not be pulled over at all, I get that, but in the grand scheme of things it's for the right reasons and nothing to cry about in my mind.

If it was a young person starting out and they didn't know jack about gear where is the harm? And you won't know what the persons knows till you have a yak. The guy mentioned obviously didn't give a fark, his choice.

Cop at the bottom of the elevation out of Picton was pulling over every bike he could manage the other week for license and rego check, which was pretty much every bike as it was at night. To me that's more annoying than a random pull up out of the crowd.

[swbarnett]

Read post #186. You did.

Good point. indeed. I was thinking of a single with child seat when I wrote it. Talk about confused...

[swbarnett]

How much for rego on bike in Switzerland I wonder, thought you might have put this in context

It was the late '90s when I was there. At the time it was only 5fr from memory (roughly 1-1 to the NZD at the time). This gave you $2M liability cover. Health insurance is compulsory so that didn't factor into the rego.

and how did they police the rego stuff I wonder

Effectively not at all. Switzerland is a very honest country. In the two years I was there I saw maybe two cop cars on the road.

[swbarnett]

would you still wear the same if you were still cycling in akl?

Yes. To wear enough to make a difference would put me in danger of heat exhaustion.

would you still cycle in akl now if you had the choice?

No. Not so much because of the risk to me. I stopped cycling because of who I became. One too many near misses and I got very angry. I started mouthing off at anyone and everyone. Even had a run in with a school principle on crossing patrol (for something that was of no consequence at all). That was the last day I cycled.

The problem I have with cycling is that you're at the mercy of the traffic. I'm just not cut out to put my life in the hands of 10,000 strangers every time I ride.

[swbarnett]

From what I've seen on here, rastuscat is prejudiced for motorcyclists and their safety not against them.

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that RC is harming motorcyclists. Just that he is perhaps applying a double standard if he would not do the same to a cyclist.

[swbarnett]

but in the grand scheme of things it's for the right reasons

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"