Kiwibiker on TV1 SCU?

[FROSTY:Me]

All relative to where the car was on the road when the rider saw it

And as the two bystanders said to the driver of the car "you did everything to avoid it" ..... so where exactly was the car in relation to the center line ?? because it wasn't that far off the road at the impact point & the strike point was at the very outer R/H edge of the car car well over the center line; rider sees this panics & B-lines it straight at the car

mate--dunno what you were looking at but the car was in the gravel on the far left of the road. Literally there was no more left to go unless they went into the ditch.
Impact point was clearly 2-2.5m inside the cars lane.

[sidecar bob]

what about the comment by the cops that the bike rego was wrong (we know why now) so it may have been illegally imported and not suitable for our roads!!!

Yeah, do you suppose it was made for a parallel universe where bikes lean the other way?
How fucked was that? I'm lost for examples of how much more fucked their comments & investigations could be. It didn't have a blowout because there weren't tyre pieces spread up the road prior to impact. For fucks sake, it's not a fully laden B Train. I doubt those useless cunts couldn't figure out which way toilet paper unrolls.
I have been employed by the police for exactly that kind of work, I remember the Traffic Sargent at the time commenting that he had never seen such a thorough & well explained report on a damaged bike. I think I understand why now.

[Katman]

Is this a footpeg?

[Madness]

Is this a footpeg?

CIB material that one.

[scumdog]

Well that certainly backs up the side stand theory? Cant quite see how, but if it happened, it happened.
If she was caught in that scenario with the unfortunate timing of a car coming towards her and unable to lean to the left, that sucks.

I find it hard to believe that was the side-stand causing the crash unless she rode off with it still down - and that bend was the first left-hand bend she rode around.

[T.W.R]

mate--dunno what you were looking at but the car was in the gravel on the far left of the road. Literally there was no more left to go unless they went into the ditch.
Impact point was clearly 2-2.5m inside the cars lane.

one lane on a country road is just over 3m wide (from center line to fog line) and roughly only 1/3 of the Maxima was in the grass and it wasn't duly out of alignment with it's direction of travel so the driver didn't swerve SFA to try avoiding the impact relative to the cars position if it was perfectly within it's lane....and the verge wasn't a ditch.
The impact point of the two punched the bike in between the wheel & engine so 12" further right & the bike would have bounced along the side of the car.
So if the car was perfectly within its lane and the driver knew impact was imminent then the "done everything possible to avoid" scenario would have put the car over the verge, through the fence into the paddock either on it's side or roof other than where it was & the bike being punched back & over into the other lane

[neels]

one lane on a country road is just over 3m wide (from center line to fog line) and roughly only 1/3 of the Maxima was in the grass and it wasn't duly out of alignment with it's direction of travel so the driver didn't swerve SFA to try avoiding the impact relative to the cars position if it was perfectly within it's lane....and the verge wasn't a ditch.
The impact point of the two punched the bike in between the wheel & engine so 12" further right & the bike would have bounced along the side of the car.
So if the car was perfectly within its lane and the driver knew impact was imminent then the "done everything possible to avoid" scenario would have put the car over the verge, through the fence into the paddock either on it's side or roof other than where it was & the bike being punched back & over into the other lane

I was in a similar situation a while back, pulled over as far as I thought I could to avoid an accident and still didn't, then get out and realise there was more I could have done to get out of the way of the fuckwit that locked everything up and plowed into me. But I possibly had the same thought process, better to stay on the road and take the chance than chuck it off the side, with the worst case being that the person coming the other way just carries on and leaves you with a single vehicle accident to explain.

Interesting that the last 2 SCU episodes have been rider fucked up and crashed, waiting for the third installment to see if the pattern continues, although as above most people have had that moment when they realise it's just lucky there wasn't someone else there when they got it wrong.

Also waiting for the cranking up of ACC levies with the TV watching public suitably brainwashed to reject any complaint from motorcyclists.

[spanner spinner]

I find it hard to believe that was the side-stand causing the crash unless she rode off with it still down - and that bend was the first left-hand bend she rode around.

never going to happen on a modern bike side stand cut out switch stops you even riding off.

[FJRider]

never going to happen on a modern bike side stand cut out switch stops you even riding off.

They can easily be disabled ... intentionally or "Otherwise" ...

[Banditbandit]

Couple different posts now supporting the Stand not folding back up even at 70k or more!
So lets run with it Just like SCU have with their theory??

The stand spring breaks or falls off.
Side stand is hanging down on the left
The rider brakes for the 55k corner and G forces pivot the stand to a forward position (enough to cause a problem)
Rider dumps the bike over onto the corner
Enough cornering force is applied to prevent the stand rotating over the higher axis required to retract it (as evidenced by rider posts here)
Road is there by gouged until said rider lifts the angle and heads for the other side of the road.
Then I'm afraid it is target fixation and panic.

But the cause of the accident is vehicle failure not rider error and therefore fines and suspension of licence should not have been laid.

The above entirely possible given the evidence on the road and logic applied during the SCU program to their scenario.

What say you???

Yes - I think the scenario is entirely possible - except for gouging the road. From what I have seen the side stand runs along the road surface preventing the bike cornering properly - holding it up. It might or might not leave a mark on the road - I'd assume it would, I remember sparks coming from the side-stand when the bike hit me.

The problem is that a side-stand that is down prevents a bike achieving the lean angle the rider expects to take a left-hand corner at - one that matches the speed of the bike into the corner - it holds the bike up, widening the arc of the corner and taking the bike across the other side of the road.

A side stand just bounces merrily along the road when the spring breaks.

And it certainly wouldn't have enough weight behind it to gouge a massive groove in the road.

No side stand hangs low enough to bounce with the bike is upright.

Yes. It would take the momentum of the swinging stand flipping forward as the bike was under brakes - achieving the fully forward locked position as the bike was tipped into a corner. A possible scenario - and what many people would think is a fluke .. and no - it's unlikely to gouge the road but is likely to leave a mark.

[nodrog:Me]

Yes - I think the scenario is entirely possible - except for gouging the road. From what I have seen the side stand runs along the road surface preventing the bike cornering properly - holding it up. It might or might not leave a mark on the road - I'd assume it would, I remember sparks coming from the side-stand when the bike hit me.

The problem is that a side-stand that is down prevents a bike achieving the lean angle the rider expects to take a left-hand corner at - one that matches the speed of the bike into the corner - it holds the bike up, widening the arc of the corner and taking the bike across the other side of the road.





Yes. It would take the momentum of the swinging stand flipping forward as the bike was under brakes - achieving the fully forward locked position as the bike was tipped into a corner. A possible scenario - and what many people would think is a fluke .. and no - it's unlikely to gouge the road but is likely to leave a mark.

valentino rossi would be amazed at how hard you would be braking to accelerate a mass of less than 1/4 a kilogram that it has enough force to somehow become "locked forward".

Whats even more amazing is how, under this extreme braking event, is how the sidestand managed to miss the ground on its way to swinging forward, whilst the forks are compressed.

[Banditbandit]

valentino rossi would be amazed at how hard you would be braking to accelerate a mass of less than 1/4 a kilogram that it has enough force to somehow become "locked forward".

Whats even more amazing is how, under this extreme braking event, is how the sidestand managed to miss the ground on its way to swinging forward, whilst the forks are compressed.

Yes .. all that - it would be regarded as a fluke ..

[nodrog:Me]

Yes .. all that - it would be regarded as a fluke ..

Even a fluke cant happen if its physically impossible.

[PrincessBandit]

never going to happen on a modern bike side stand cut out switch stops you even riding off.

Haha, I guess that reinforces that the GN (my first wee bike) isn't modern! (I managed to ride off from the school car park once with the side stand down and nearly arsed off in front of a group of students as I turned my first corner Never happened again...

[Banditbandit]

Even a fluke cant happen if its physically impossible.

I'm not sure it is physically impossible - IF the side-stand spring is broken

There's a lot of IFs in the scenario .. I'm pretty doubtful that would happen ..