My first poll for the NZ public

[Zedder]

My brother in law has been working like that for must be kicking on 20 years. They recently hit a speed bump, but look to be sorting it out so I know it can work... having said that, he states that most of their "problems" were money related.

heh... the missus couldn't live without me, so I'm safe .

So she's not working then? And you're the one making that "filthy" stuff called money. Interesting ....

[Katman]

So she's not working then? And you're the one making that "filthy" stuff called money. Interesting ....

See, that's the moronic sort of argument that people use when they call Greenies hypocrites for driving cars.

[bogan]

An R.B.E. is a mechanism that will limit that effect also, because it will be relying on the same people.

nz, uk, russia, the gorbals, sealand etc... as you say, it will likely have been tried in some fashion at some point. Oldrider posted the Guernsey Experiment a while ago. Smart idea to get something done, but eventually brought back into the financial fold that was wanted by others. Damned shame.

Been a few, and could still be by the looks of things

Reliance is not such a strong mechansim, if it worked we could just rely on people to follow to the laws and our prisons would be empty. Or to put it another way, are you going to rely on those who currently covet power and greed to just donate their assets? to just stop living the high life?

The Guernsey Experiment is an interesting concept; but it does seem like they chose to go with the bankers instead. Being almost 200 years ago makes things a little different too.

Interesting, I wonder if any of those are attempting growth of the money free ideals...

[mashman]

Nah, you just won't give anything concrete we can work with. Apart from plagiarisng that is.

I do. When you realise that you can value anything you like at any value you like (because that already happens e.g. diamonds worth more than bread), there are no more hurdles and the money becomes irrelevant. But by all means carry on saying that you don't have enough information, because all you are doing is setting your own limits... and "blaming" me for your shortcomings leaves me laughing needing to go wee wee.

In that paragraph above there is every single piece of information you need in order to accept that an R.B.E. is not only possible, but is completely achievable.

[mashman]

So she's not working then? And you're the one making that "filthy" stuff called money. Interesting ....

Sorry, not sure what your point is there?

[mashman]

Reliance is not such a strong mechansim, if it worked we could just rely on people to follow to the laws and our prisons would be empty. Or to put it another way, are you going to rely on those who currently covet power and greed to just donate their assets? to just stop living the high life?

The Guernsey Experiment is an interesting concept; but it does seem like they chose to go with the bankers instead. Being almost 200 years ago makes things a little different too.

Interesting, I wonder if any of those are attempting growth of the money free ideals...

It does work right at this moment in time. You'd have to be really ignorant not to have noticed that, or really negative, or just thick. They won't have to donate their assets nor stop living the high life I'll go with thick.

Chose to go with them despite having a system that was by far superior to the debt based system being offered to them? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... I know it was 200 years ago, but all that's different between our generation and theirs is the access to more up to date knowledge.

Assuming that they know about Resource Based Economy. Be interesting thing to know mind.

[bogan]

It does work right at this moment in time. You'd have to be really ignorant not to have noticed that, or really negative, or just thick. They won't have to donate their assets nor stop living the high life I'll go with thick.

Chose to go with them despite having a system that was by far superior to the debt based system being offered to them? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... I know it was 200 years ago, but all that's different between our generation and theirs is the access to more up to date knowledge.

Assuming that they know about Resource Based Economy. Be interesting thing to know mind.

Only in a limited context, thus the backup plans and 'stick' approaches (which for many is the reason it works). And that is where I understand you, but have to strongly disagree. If the high life is purchasing a new holiday home every 5-10 years, new cars every year, staying at hotels and going on overseas trips etc; how can the system possibly cope with allowing everyone that privilege?

Did they not choose it then? No, 200 years ago there was very very limited international trade, and no use for the exchange rates that we rely on today.

Safe to say they do know it since they are living it. I might see about getting that book...

[Ocean1]

FIFO ruining towns, families: inquiry... what? you mean a lack of money is destroying communities OMG, quick, someone must be notified because the rest of the world could end up living under such stupid circumstances

The locals are bleating about the lack of money, they'd appreciate your cargo cult bullshit about as much as a cup of cold vomit.

Same old shit, the locals, having raped the local industries since forever are now bleating because they can't compete with employees flown in at huge cost from half way across the country.

Same old solution: Earn your keep.

[Ocean1]

I do. When you realise that you can value anything you like at any value you like (because that already happens e.g. diamonds worth more than bread), there are no more hurdles and the money becomes irrelevant.

It does work right at this moment in time. You'd have to be really ignorant not to have noticed that, or really negative, or just thick. They won't have to donate their assets nor stop living the high life I'll go with thick.

What's thick is turning a blind eye to the fact that what's currently working is people, (including you) using money to value bread and diamonds.

Because the alternative is carrying around a bunch of bread or diamonds, or on alternate days in Mashland just giving/taking bread or diamonds 'cause there's no money and therefore no difference in value.

Now that's fucking thick.

[mashman]

Only in a limited context, thus the backup plans and 'stick' approaches (which for many is the reason it works). And that is where I understand you, but have to strongly disagree. If the high life is purchasing a new holiday home every 5-10 years, new cars every year, staying at hotels and going on overseas trips etc; how can the system possibly cope with allowing everyone that privilege?

Did they not choose it then? No, 200 years ago there was very very limited international trade, and no use for the exchange rates that we rely on today.

Safe to say they do know it since they are living it. I might see about getting that book...

Holiday homes will exist, Cars will exist, hotels will exist, overseas trips will exist. Exactly what will have been lost? Everyone will have that privilege, because we can share.

"English bankers set up branches in the island and brought the population around to orthodox rules. “It was unsound,“ they said, “to let the government finance its enterprises without getting into debt.”

There was some resistance, but the bankers won their point, with their usual methods, and on October 9, 1836, the States of Guernsey had abdicated their sovereign prerogative over the control of the volume of money. From then on, the amount of the national currency decreased gradually, and was replaced by money issued by private bankers in the form of loans getting the island into debt.".

Could be an interesting read.

[mashman]

The locals are bleating about the lack of money, they'd appreciate your cargo cult bullshit about as much as a cup of cold vomit.

Same old shit, the locals, having raped the local industries since forever are now bleating because they can't compete with employees flown in at huge cost from half way across the country.

Same old solution: Earn your keep.

Well they're not bleating about it, they're bleating about how your stupid system works.

Can't compete? They're supporting them people you fucknuckle. Without them they'd have to fly in food and accommodation too Mr myopia strikes again.

Same old solution giving rise to all too familiar outcomes.

[mashman]

What's thick is turning a blind eye to the fact that what's currently working is people, (including you) using money to value bread and diamonds.

Because the alternative is carrying around a bunch of bread or diamonds, or on alternate days in Mashland just giving/taking bread or diamonds 'cause there's no money and therefore no difference in value.

Now that's fucking thick.

You just did it again by trying to excuse what goes on under the guise of it not being able to be any other way. As fucktarded as that it, it is EXCEPTIONALLY hilarious. Thanks.

No it isn't, the alternative is using the same transport and infrastructure to shift the same food to the same places only based on need and not financial viability.

I completely agree with your summation of the content of your post. It is fuckin thick.

[bogan]

Holiday homes will exist, Cars will exist, hotels will exist, overseas trips will exist. Exactly what will have been lost? Everyone will have that privilege, because we can share.

"English bankers set up branches in the island and brought the population around to orthodox rules. “It was unsound,“ they said, “to let the government finance its enterprises without getting into debt.”

There was some resistance, but the bankers won their point, with their usual methods, and on October 9, 1836, the States of Guernsey had abdicated their sovereign prerogative over the control of the volume of money. From then on, the amount of the national currency decreased gradually, and was replaced by money issued by private bankers in the form of loans getting the island into debt.".

Could be an interesting read.

But will they? Do you think those who lust for power and greed will share what they own?

Indeed, they convinced the people to chose banking, the bankers did not bring in tanks and guns and force that choice.

[Katman]

But will they? Do you think those who lust for power and greed will share what they own?

Those who lust for power and greed will be lined up against a wall.

[bogan]

Those who lust for power and greed will be lined up against a wall.

How will said society determine who that is?