MNZ new drug and alcohol rule

**scrivy** · 15th August 2015, 09:49

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

Does it have to be a piss test??
How about spoof? We could all stand around and spank our monkeys onto a soggy biscuit. But this time the loser won't eat it, rather just have to submit it to MNZ...
BUT..... woman racers could feel left out, so mandatory rooting the night before will ensure that they have some 'residue' of evidence able to be submitted also......

**scrivy** · 15th August 2015, 09:53

Originally Posted by ellipsis

...I think that fuck all will change regards racing...can we ask that the officials be tested prior to undertaking such an important thing as 'making things safe', for members, and the ambo girls and boys too, and the flaggies too, please...can we in return question the form of club officials who have less far knowledge and experience than opinion...etc...nothing will change...clubs are not that silly, are they?...

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...

**Shaun Harris** · 15th August 2015, 10:33

Originally Posted by Voltaire

They have portable test kits, Just need to have the Steward do it after sign on and helmet check.

To say suspicion is good enough is like the cop saying you were speeding or over the limit with no testing....bit 1980's

BINGO! Each club has it's own kits there to do RANDOM testing! this STOPS the old boys network being the wankers that they are on there power trips using all the license holders money to satisfy there dull little lives

**Shaun Harris** · 15th August 2015, 10:34

Originally Posted by scott411

just because it is sealed, does not mean it is up to spec or has not been resealed, as i said, can you take your own breathalyser to a cop shop to prove your innocence, I am with you that the current wording is not right, and the suspicion of something should not be enough to ban someone for a day without some argument, I believe that at least at street races, their should be some kind of random testing,

the fact is, someone died at a race with illegal drugs in their system, and the police and coroner will take a very dim view of the organisers if this happens again,

When i raced speedway i got random drug and alcohol tested once, it was a work place type testing van that turned up, and a number of us got randomly drawn, this happened a few times a season, i dont think anyone would have an issue if something like this turned up at street race,

again this shows why i think that Road and off road are not well served being in the same organisation at times, a lot of these issues happen at road racing where the high speed (or more so the high speed stopping) causes deaths, , and brings in more compliance for dirt bike events, which have a much lower risk factor for deaths,

I 100% AGREE to massive random testing at the street races Scott. That is the place a spectator could get killed also due to it. And that would be very sad for the family and our sport, it would KILL it forever in our PC country'

**Shaun Harris** · 15th August 2015, 10:38

Originally Posted by scrivy

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...

Yep, and officials and on it goes

**scrivy** · 15th August 2015, 10:57

Originally Posted by Moto-Dynamix

Yep, and officials and on it goes

Officials? You mean like JT when he used to walk through the pits always pissed?

**Shaun Harris** · 15th August 2015, 11:16

Originally Posted by scrivy

Officials? You mean like JT when he used to walk through the pits always pissed?

YES! exactually what I mean. Not safe to make any decisions, let alone drive to the track in the first place

**sidecar bob** · 15th August 2015, 18:44

Originally Posted by scrivy

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...

I well remember that. The stoned little gnome flag Marshall at the entry of the Esses couldn't even remember the crash, that happened two hours earlier that involved three sidecars, one going upside down & one carrying on up the track riderless on half throttle.
That's pretty bloody stoned.

**nzspokes** · 15th August 2015, 18:50

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

I well remember that. The stoned little gnome flag Marshall at the entry of the Esses couldn't even remember the crash, that happened two hours earlier that involved three sidecars, one going upside down & one carrying on up the track riderless on half throttle.
That's pretty bloody stoned.

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy.

**ellipsis** · 15th August 2015, 19:05

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy.

...which is why the CAMS flaggies are looked after, recognised by the club as amongst the most important people in our club and are treated that way...they are fed well and not reimbursed near enough as much as what they are worth but it must be ok as they always turn up smiling and tell us exactly what they think...they also jot down in their little notebooks any observations they have during the day...one of them smokes cigarettes...bad for his health, they say...

**Voltaire** · 15th August 2015, 19:05

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy.

$50 worth of Repco vouchers and a free lunch, my mate was rung up to see if he was racing at Taupo....well .....to see if his daughter was going to Marshall.....

**sidecar bob** · 15th August 2015, 20:03

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy.

Probably not, but if people want to use dumbsmoke they should probably do it where the safety of others isn't compromised.

**sidecar bob** · 15th August 2015, 20:06

Originally Posted by ellipsis

...which is why the CAMS flaggies are looked after, recognised by the club as amongst the most important people in our club and are treated that way...they are fed well and not reimbursed near enough as much as what they are worth but it must be ok as they always turn up smiling and tell us exactly what they think...they also jot down in their little notebooks any observations they have during the day...one of them smokes cigarettes...bad for his health, they say...

They have also been known to show the red flag to just a couple of competitors during the early stages of a very important national race & then deny it until go pro footage proved otherwise.