Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

[Brian d marge]

Oh, but I also think you're a whiney arsed know nothing blowhard with zero credibility.

And avoidin answering a simple question just shows me how little you know

Carry on your doing an excellent job


Now lets try again communist and socialist what be the difference

Then we need a socialist country

Take your time

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[Shaun Harris]

And avoidin answering a simple question just shows me how little you know

Carry on your doing an excellent job


Now lets try again communist and socialist what be the difference

Then we need a socialist country

Take your time

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Ya getting a bit bored in the factory over there B

[Ocean1]

And avoidin answering a simple question just shows me how little you know

Carry on your doing an excellent job


Now lets try again communist and socialist what be the difference

Then we need a socialist country

Take your time

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That's not what you asked. Which sorta highlights the futility of attempting to answer your simpleton questions, like your simpleton facts they simply change to suit your simpleton preconceptions.

[Brian d marge]

Japans tariffs as they stand ATM

http://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2015_115/data/e_02.htm


and according to " Stuff"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7273...iggest-winners

remember this is a potential , projected gain ......

oh and while this blow hard with zero creditability is posting some more of your actual facts ...heres a wee doozie from that stuff article ....Snip:

The Overseas Investment Office will lose the power to block business investments valued at less than $200 million from foreigners from other TPPA countries. Currently, the threshold above which it can intervene is normally $100m. That change will also apply to Chinese, Taiwanese and South Korean investors – even though they are not party to the TPPA – because of "most favoured nation" clauses in their free trade agreements with New Zealand.

from the published agreement;

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financial system; and freedom to appoint senior management positions of any
nationality.
TPP Parties adopt a “negative-list” basis, meaning
that their markets are fully open to foreign investors, except where they have taken an
exception (non-conforming measure)
in one of two country-specific annexes: (1) current measures on which a Party accepts
an obligation not to make its measures more restrictive in the future and to bind any
future liberalization, and (2) measures and policies on which a Party retains full discretion
in the future.

But ... I wont be living in Auckland ....come to think of it neither will Aucklanders


but Im sure all of this is good for NZ


TUI

[Brian d marge]

That's not what you asked. Which sorta highlights the futility of attempting to answer your simpleton questions, like your simpleton facts they simply change to suit your simpleton preconceptions.

well it was the last question I asked , Im not sure how far behind the current topic you are

but http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130907873

this be the one ?

or should I search , this thread ,for terms , " just one " ?

As for simpleton facts , They are indeed Simpleton facts , As you will note One "simpleton fact came from the Japanese ministry , and yes they are simpletons.. The Other was from "stuff " which as you are well aware is read by simpletons. Hence to be used as a source for your benefit.

in turn " stuff " used used the press release" a summary of the agreement published by the Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry"

which you will agree are very feeble minded

Now ....lets look at some fact you have provided ....
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Nope, ya will have to help this simpleton , cant find much if any ......

[Voltaire]

Is this what happens when you live in a 50 metre apartment in a huge city?

[gjm]

the TPPA has the potential to be good for everyone.

Sadly, the lobbyists will have inserted enough clauses, sidelines and such that the door will be cracked open for companies to come pouring through, seeking to fill their coffers at others expense. Those others will ultimately be us, the 'normal people.

Claims such as higher costs for medicine will be met by the government are ridiculous. How is the government funded, exactly?

The benefits should be realised in about 15 years. The downsides could become apparent very much sooner.

[Shaun Harris]

Imposible I know, but man it would be good to be able to follow a healthy thread, with out all slagging and bitch talk at each other on here, but guess that will never happen on here, shame really, as there are a lot of very healthy threads started, that just turn to shit with hero attacks, that just turn me of following them any further, to educate myself more about life etc. It is like being back in the primers at school again

[gjm]

Imposible I know, but man it would be good to be able to follow a healthy thread, with out all slagging and bitch talk at each other on here, but guess that will never happen on here, shame really, as there are a lot of very healthy threads started, that just turn to shit with hero attacks, that just turn me of following them any further, to educate myself more about life etc. It is like being back in the primers at school again

What's the rule in boxing? Duck a punch, block a swing? Something like that. Doesn't mention handbags, though.

Back on topic.

International trade isn't about harmony. It's largely about rivalry and mercantilism is how the winners play to win. (The TPPA sets up a future agreement with China, the US's biggest mercantile competitor.) Instead of playing that game our government has put it's faith in "free" trade. They think not only that free-trade agreements will save us (we could too easily lose - everyone wants to win) but that we will benefit. Everyone will benefit.

Despite being nominally a "trade" agreement, the TPPA contains provisions which interfere with areas well beyond the bounds of trade. Based on what little we do actually know (and it's not much) the US will experience the following. Bear in mind, that the agreement goes both ways, so 12 member nations signing will all realise these consequences. (This is taken from an assessment made from the US perspective.)

The TPPA will:

• Limit how member nations and government officials can regulate foreign firms operating within domestic political and geographic boundaries, with requirements to provide foreign firms greater rights than domestic firms.

• Extend incentives for firms based in a member nation to offshore investment and jobs to lower-wage countries.

• Establish a two-track legal system that gives foreign firms new rights to skirt member nation courts and laws, directly sue a member nation government before foreign tribunals, and

• Demand compensation for financial, health, environmental, land use and other laws they claim undermine their TPP privileges.

• Allow foreign firms to demand compensation for the costs of complying with member nation financial or environmental regulations that apply equally to domestic and foreign firms.

Taken to one conclusion, this could amount to the idea that profitability of investments must be the supreme priority of state policy, overriding health, safety, human rights, labor law, fiscal policy, macroeconomic stability, industrial policy, national security, cultural autonomy, the environment, and everything else.

There is no justification for going to the opposite extreme and allowing governments to ride roughshod over legitimate property rights. Agreements such as the TPPA rigidly mandate market-based, property-first solutions to questions where societies must strike a reasonable balance between public and private interests.

So what's the alternative? What would a "reasonable" trade agreement, the kind we've been promised, look like? It could include the following principles:

1. Balanced Trade: Trade agreements must contribute to a national goal of achieving a manageable balance of trade over time; no more massive deficits

2. National Trade, Economic and Security Strategy: Trade agreements must strive to optimize value added supply chains within member nations - from raw material to finished product. This requires a national trade and economic strategy that creates jobs, wealth and sustained growth.

3. Reciprocity: Trade agreements must ensure that foreign country policies and practices as well as their tariff and non-tariff barriers provide fully reciprocal access for member nation goods and services. The agreements must provide that no new barriers or subsidies outside the scope of the agreement nullify or impair the concessions bargained

4. State Owned Commercial Enterprises: Trade agreements must encourage the transformation of state owned and state controlled commercial enterprises (SOEs) to private sector enterprises. In the interim, trade agreements must ensure that SOEs do not distort the free and fair flow of trade - throughout supply chains - and investment between the member nations.

5. Currency: Trade agreements must classify prolonged currency undervaluation (or devaluation) as a violation of the agreement.

6. Rules of origin: Trade agreements must include rules of origin to maximize benefits for member nation based supply chains and minimize free ridership by third parties. Further, all products must be labeled or marked as to country(s) of origin as a condition of entry. (The US is already in violation of this.)

7. Enforcement: Trade agreements must provide effective and timely enforcement mechanisms, including expedited adjudication and provisional remedies. Such provisional remedies must be permitted where a member nation deems a clear breach has occurred which causes or threatens injury, and should be subject to review under the agreements' established dispute settlement mechanisms.

8. Border Adjustable Taxes: Trade agreements must neutralize the subsidy and tariff impact of the border adjustment of foreign consumption taxes. This is set to happen under the TPPA. Eventually.

9. Perishable and Cyclical Products: Trade agreements must include special safeguard mechanisms to address import surges in perishable and seasonal agricultural product markets, including livestock markets.

10. Food and Product Safety and Quality: Trade agreements must ensure import compliance with existing member nation food and product safety and quality standards and must not inhibit changes to or improvements in member nation standards. The standards must be effectively enforced at member nation ports of entry.

11. Domestic Procurement: Trade agreements must preserve the ability of national and local governments to favor domestic producers in government, or government funded, procurement.

12. Temporary vs. Permanent Agreements: Trade agreements must be reviewed, and be subject to renegotiation and renewal. Renewal should not occur if the balance of benefits cannot be restored.

13. Labor: Trade agreements must include enforceable labor provisions to ensure that lax labor standards and enforcement by contracting countries do not result in hidden subsidies to the detriment of member nation-based workers and producers.


As said, we don't know the extent of the TPPA, and no-one is willing to allow the world's economists (or anyone else not intimately involved in the agreement process) access to it. One person I know who is peripherally involved told me that even most of those involved in the negotiation processes haven't seen much beyond the area of the agreement they have been involved in. Even in the so-called secret world of Trade Agreements, that's unusual.

On full inspection, the TPPA could be proven an unbridled success, or it could be revealed to be an unmitigated disaster in waiting. We don't know.

[Shaun Harris]

What's the rule in boxing? Duck a punch, block a swing? Something like that. Doesn't mention handbags, though.

Back on topic.

Haha, cool reply. I say NZ should just jump in bed 100% with asia, china etc, and tell the rest of the world, ie the usa to go get F;d

[Brian d marge]

While the agreement really is about wealth transfer
There are some clauses which were unexpected

Marine reserves and shark protection
Memeber states are required to set up and maintain the above

Also climate management got a nod



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[Shaun Harris]

While the agreement really is about wealth transfer
There are some clauses which were unexpected

Marine reserves and shark protection
Memeber states are required to set up and maintain the above

Also climate management got a nod



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next we will be anti nuke again lol

[Brian d marge]

next we will be anti nuke again lol

Hey thats a point

Whats happening with that anti nuke

Spying ok

Copyright infringement protection ok

Troops to iraq ok

But no nuke powered ships in our waters

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[Jin]

NZ "privatisation" means that private companies carry out the duties in a "worse" manner than the government departments that they replace!

I guess you have never been inside a public hospital.

[Brian d marge]

I guess you have never been inside a public hospital.

I see serco are doing sterling work



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