ACC proposals on motorcycle levies

[Jin]

Plenty of people speed because they consider the fine not high enough so would they still consider risky behaviour if their registration went up as well?

You didnt say speeding you said crashing. Try to grasp that is not the same thing. No sane person would willingly crash because they think they can afford it.

[caseye]

W0t! is SHE still here?
I like the cliff idea, you lot are seriously wasting your time, she knows not what she's saying.
On ignore and left there, is the only possible answer for this one.

[pritch]

W0t! is SHE still here?
(snip)
On ignore and left there, is the only possible answer for this one.

I'll second that motion.

[bogan]

Dont be silly it would be the person who committed the offense who would have to wear the higher registration on their vehicles not the new owner.

So now your idea is levy per person, which increases with each traffic infringement, and assumedly the number of vehicles you have in your name has no bearing on this, but the types do?

Have you figured out the distinction between at fault, and prosecutable yet?

[bogan]

So going over the speed limit is not willingly risking crashing? The greater the speed the greater the chance of a crash. If there was a big enough financial deterrant most except for the crazys would not risk it.

No, it isn't. I can do 1.5x the limit on a nice straight road, with clear edging, and be safer than some twat who thinks doing the speed limit makes removes the risk, so is doing it around some tight twisty corners (you've experience falling off on this too don't you?).

Replacement bikes aren't free you know, so there is already a 1k-20k+ hit, so how big a financial hit were you going to add with speeding and crashing, respectively?

How about you come up with a brighter idea as the money has to come from somewhere. Maybe in your case a big enough punishment needs to be developed so you dont freeload on other motorcyclists. Maybe impoundment plus a fine would motivate you to pay.

Already have, it's called socialist accident healthcare and compensation. Flat rate or flat rate on tax, per person. Less money required overall.

[Bikemad]

So going over the speed limit is not willingly risking crashing? The greater the speed the greater the chance of a crash. If there was a big enough financial deterrant most except for the crazys would not risk it.

go back and read post 180 regarding paying the ultimate price..........people are aware of this ........but still speed do they not..........you think they stop to count their pennies beforehand..........

[Bikemad]

For the majority this is not the case other wise everyone would speed would they not?

but you are not talking about the majority are you ..........you want people at RISK/Fault to pay more don't you.........not the majority.......
do you understand how ENGLISH works.........

[Berries]

So going over the speed limit is not willingly risking crashing? The greater the speed the greater the chance of a crash.

How much over the speed limit were you going in your five crashes then?

[Bikemad]

the majority understand if they speed there is a RISK they might crash and die.......therefore they dont speed...........you are suggesting the minority who do like to speed would reconsider their actions because money is more important to them than living.........are you serious.......are you on meds......or perhaps you should be..........basically you have argued both sides of the same arguement and still have no clue what you are saying

[bogan]

For the majority this is not the case other wise everyone would speed would they not?

You'll find the plebs don't sped since they have been indoctrinated. Some of the safest motorists have no problems with speeding when it is safe to do so.

I speed many, many times this afternoon and didn't die once (can't say the same for the bugs massacred on my visor).

Interestingly enough, the most dangerous moment was when I found my rear wheel doing right on the speed limit, while the rest of the bike was about 20kmhr under it; the viffer enjoys gravel roads

How much over the speed limit were you going in your five crashes then?

Which five?

[Bikemad]

I think you would find for most people a fear of getting a speeding ticket would be a more likely deterrant than crashing and dying. Why do you think radar detectors were invented? I think you are clueless too.

once again you have forgotton about your original point.........we were not talking about the majority...........you want the minority,who are prepared to take the risk and speed,for whatever reason and maybe crash,and therefore according to you are at FAULT,to pay more.........correct?
i am saying any possible fines imposed are not even considered when said speeder decides he is going to speed.......never enters his/her mind..........the thought of losing ones license is a far greater deterent.......trust me ....i have lost my license for 40 kph over...........the $500 fine oh well ho hum...............28 days walking a pain in the arse.........if you are going to impose huge fines and rego hikes all that will happen is there will be a bunch of people driving/riding with their eyes glued to the speedo and not on the road in front of them.......ergo.....more crashes
radar detectors were invented because like any other law/rule that is imposed on society someone somewhere sees it as an oppurtunity to make a buck....

[Jin]

You think majority of riders think like you? Lol

[PrincessBandit]

So to cut your long story short then you do not want those who misbehave on the road paying a higher registration than those who behave. It makes absolutly no sense as far as I am concerned and I dont think the majority of riders would think your way.

I would imagine that "sensible" "careful" whatever you want to call them riders probably feel somewhat aggrieved that they have to pay the same 'penalty/risk fee' that dickheads and idiots pay for the privilege of being on two wheels. Unfortunately the whole concept would be in the too-hard basket when it comes down to it. While mathematically a two wheeled dipshit with the brain cell of an aemoba is more likely to cost big bucks to our health system, the careful rider in an accident is just as much a "burden" to thar same health system.

[Bikemad]

So to cut your long story short then you do not want those who misbehave on the road paying a higher registration than those who behave. It makes absolutly no sense as far as I am concerned and I dont think the majority of riders would think your way.

no i don't..........thats their call/risk and the punishments are already in place......you love trying to put words in other peoples mouths don't you.........a sure sign of someone with no solid reasoning or point to make........

[rastuscat]

You'll find the plebs don't sped since they have been indoctrinated. Some of the safest motorists have no problems with speeding when it is safe to do so.

I speed many, many times this afternoon and didn't die once (can't say the same for the bugs massacred on my visor).

Interestingly enough, the most dangerous moment was when I found my rear wheel doing right on the speed limit, while the rest of the bike was about 20kmhr under it; the viffer enjoys gravel roads



Which five?

Interesting perspective.

Speed features as a causative factor as the stats are drawn from crash reports filled out by humans. Every time they attend a crash the internal question "Would this have happened if they had been going slower?" arises. So they tick the box saying speed was a factor. I personally see speed as a factor in a small number of crashes, but not really a lot. I see human error as the major cause.

However..........

Indulge me. Just imagine for a minute that speed isn't the causative factor in a crash. It's caused by, say, inattention, SMIDSY, whatever.

Is it better to be going slower or faster when the crash happens?