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**FJRider** · 8th November 2015, 07:12

Originally Posted by cassina

The people who run it have obviously never been in a situation where things have happened too fast to swerve or brake.

To the contrary .. The people that run it have been in such situations ... perhaps you should do the course.

**FJRider** · 8th November 2015, 07:31

Originally Posted by cassina

SWhat I am trying to get through to you lot is it does not work all the time especially if another motorist/animal is the cause of the hazardous situation.

Perhaps the real cause (and some blame) in such situations is you. Has it never occurred to you as you ride ... that such an event might happen ... and you may not be prepared for it .. ???

Other motorists (and dogs) do not appear out of thin air. Look for them and assume they will do what you really do not want them to do. And you can then plan to avoid them sooner.

**Blackbird** · 8th November 2015, 08:15

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Why do you guys even keep on trying? She contributes nothing but irritation.

I did warn the originator of this thread what was likely to happen

**bogan** · 8th November 2015, 08:20

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Why do you guys even keep on trying? She contributes nothing but irritation.

Why do you guys even keep on reading it? Or asking us to stop/or why we are replying?

**James Deuce** · 8th November 2015, 08:56

Originally Posted by bogan

Why do you guys even keep on reading it? Or asking us to stop/or why we are replying?

Because I genuinely want to know. Discussing anything with cassina is the most Quixotic thing on the Internet I have ever seen. Only my Mother-in-Law is a more concrete thinker but she commits nothing in writing so it's difficult to gauge the depth and make up of cassina's ferro-concrete certainty in relation to the Mother-in-laws roller-compacted, predefined, fixed-in-time attitudes.

Is it because most of us are blokes and want to fix the broken person's attitudes? Is it because cassina's attitude reflects horribly on the future of motorcycling? Is it because someone, somewhere isn't getting their eggs in the morning?

**Tricia1000** · 8th November 2015, 10:16

As far as I know, you will only get an I endorsement for classes of licence that you already previously hold. So a person with car and motorcycle licences, will be allowed to teach both.. If they only have the car licence, then that is all they can teach.. You would need to have previously held heavy goods, in order to teach the classes 2, 3, 4,5. I didn't have to pass any truck questions to get my endorsement. Just car and Motorcyc questions.
The further training for motorcyclists is purely to be allowed to assess CBTA. Unfortunately you can still get an I endorsement through certain providers, with a 4 week course. During that time you don't sit beside a student or teach a student, but at the end of the course, you get your I endorsement. Within one of these providers, the person teaching the potential instructors isn't a driving instructor, so it does get watered down a bit..

Tricia1000
RoADA(Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
Quote=Gremlin;1130917256]The bar for instructors has been lifted. When you sit I endorsement it's for every class (even if you just want to instruct motorcycles), hence you have to get 100% on motorcycle, car and heavy vehicle questions.

Now, you also have to demonstrate further training ie, for motorcycles, we've had a few instructors coming through seeking an IAM Advanced Test pass to demonstrate this.[/QUOTE]

**bogan** · 8th November 2015, 10:21

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Because I genuinely want to know. Discussing anything with cassina is the most Quixotic thing on the Internet I have ever seen. Only my Mother-in-Law is a more concrete thinker but she commits nothing in writing so it's difficult to gauge the depth and make up of cassina's ferro-concrete certainty in relation to the Mother-in-laws roller-compacted, predefined, fixed-in-time attitudes.

Is it because most of us are blokes and want to fix the broken person's attitudes? Is it because cassina's attitude reflects horribly on the future of motorcycling? Is it because someone, somewhere isn't getting their eggs in the morning?

First reply or two is to just ensure readers know her attitudes/advice are not safe. Bulk of the rest is just plumbing the depths of her self-delusion.

And a bit of that too.

**Tricia1000** · 8th November 2015, 11:00

Such an interesting debate! If you are planning to buy a copy of Roadcraft, make sure you get the newly (2013) rewritten version. It is by FAR, a more digestible book.
Tricia1000

Originally Posted by Gremlin

NZ Police don't do high speed training (I think it's something about not being able to legally practise at high speed?) while the UK are certified to levels of chase speed. The biggest factor for the officers, is that the higher the speed they are graded for, the greater the burden of responsibility on them, as they should be better, ie, even if a car pulls out in front of them, they should have anticipated. The police here do practise for situations where they are reversed into... (well, positioning, not the actual crunch

)

Just bear in mind that it's a hell of a read for the uninitiated. Don't try to digest in one hit, read a chapter, practise a little, read a bit, etc.

Those joining IAM NZ are given an A5 Riding Standards booklet, which is a condensed version of the book and modified for NZ laws.

**James Deuce** · 8th November 2015, 11:14

Originally Posted by Tricia1000

Such an interesting debate! If you are planning to buy a copy of Roadcraft, make sure you get the newly (2013) rewritten version. It is by FAR, a more digestible book.
Tricia1000

Just don't but it through Amazon or Book Suppository. Shipping will change from $12 to $32 after you've submitted your payment authorisation.

**Tricia1000** · 8th November 2015, 11:19

You need a certain amount of intelligence to realise just how stupid you are.

http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU

**Tricia1000** · 8th November 2015, 11:31

That maybe so Cassina, but graveyards up and down the country will accept you whether you were at fault in the crash or not...
You need to take ownership in your part in these crashes. It is obvious that you were riding at a speed, that you were unable to stop, within the distance that you could see to be clear

Originally Posted by cassina

You should know that if you ride wrong you dont live long so I must be doing it right despite what you think. You forget the bad crashes I have had have been the fault of others and not due to incorrect riding ability.

**swbarnett** · 8th November 2015, 15:46

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Is it because most of us are blokes and want to fix the broken person's attitudes? Is it because cassina's attitude reflects horribly on the future of motorcycling? Is it because someone, somewhere isn't getting their eggs in the morning?

No, it's because we don't some poor novice to read they're drivel and take it as unoppsed gospel.