Using LAMS approved bikes for full license test?

[swbarnett]

Thank you, Maybe motorcyclists can transition into bigger bikes through the restricted period if they changed the law is what I'm saying.

In a way that's what we have now. Albeit very course. I certainly have some sympathy for a more granular system. When I l started riding in the '80s I came up in a number of deliberate cc steps - 125, 250, 400, 750. At each step I felt confident to make the move.

[swbarnett]

as a current 6r holder I would rather see a system in place that allowed me to "speed up" the year wait by actually taking lessons from an instructor.

When I got my license in the '80s I did a course at Western Springs (8 weekend sessions I think). After that I took the certificate to the MOT and they gave me a full license without even a test.

[pritch]

You lot are missing the whole point!

No you are. The tester will refuse to conduct the test because the bike is illegal. It would be illegal on the way to the test, during the test, and on the way home if you failed. That's not an anomoly that's just common sense. Although common sense is perhaps not as common as it should be.

As for the car licence situation that's just purely expedient. Imagine the howls if mum and dad had to by another car just so junior could learn how to drive. The farmers already squeal about the hardships the peasantry face in getting licences for their heirs, let alone having to buy another car.

Some young people sitting licences have completely unrealistic expectations, I have heard someone complaining because his offspring was failed without even driving because his car had an expired warrant. Another complained his son was failed without driving because the kid turned up for the test with bare feet.

It worries me that these dopey bastards will be driving now, but they probably didn't suddenly get any smarter.

[Moi]

There is possibly some merit in a transition period AFTER you have passed your 6F, however how that transition period would be decided would need careful thought and control. In the meantime the rules are what they are and if you want to ride you then need to jump through the hoops that are there... it's like many things, a form of initiation...

Of course we could go down the path of many of the EU countries and restrict what you may ride even if you hold a "full" licence and require you to complete proper driving/riding lessons and pay many Euros for the privilege to drive / ride on the public roads...

[neels]

The current system is designed to transition from knowing absolutely nothing to you can ride whatever you like after 2 years, as some have commented it's debatable if that's long enough.

There seems to be a mentality these days to shortcut or find a way around everything, be it shortening the licence time or derestricting LAMS bikes, despite the fact that these things came into being for logical reasons such as less dead motorcyclists in their first couple of years of riding.

Makes you wonder if it's all a symptom of too much time cheating at video games, and thinking it's possible to do the same in real life..........

[TheDemonLord]

The current system is designed to transition from knowing absolutely nothing to you can ride whatever you like after 2 years, as some have commented it's debatable if that's long enough.

There seems to be a mentality these days to shortcut or find a way around everything, be it shortening the licence time or derestricting LAMS bikes, despite the fact that these things came into being for logical reasons such as less dead motorcyclists in their first couple of years of riding.

Makes you wonder if it's all a symptom of too much time cheating at video games, and thinking it's possible to do the same in real life..........

I'd say its Youthful eagerness rather than anything else.

As for cheating and Video games, I think you would be hard pressed to demonstrate that.....

[Ender EnZed]

Another complained his son was failed without driving because the kid turned up for the test with bare feet.

I know some states in the US have laws about driving barefoot but I've never heard anything about it being a rule, even if totally unenforced, in NZ. Seems a bit off to fail someone for breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

[Akzle]

I know some states in the US have laws about driving barefoot but I've never heard anything about it being a rule, even if totally unenforced, in NZ. Seems a bit off to fail someone for breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

"suitable enclosed footwear" i believe is the directive. No high heels, ie.

Fucken stupid rule really. So i ignore it, with all the rest of them.

[pritch]

Seems a bit off to fail someone for breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

I guess they would say that in bare feet you aren't in full control of the vehicle and I would tend to agree. Jandals are not suitable either.

That particular kid was failed twice before he even got to sit in the car with the examiner, but I bet he thought he was a shit hot driver.

[Tazz]

You lot are missing the whole point! What I'm saying is, The law should be changed to allow a transition period to bigger bikes during the restricted license period. Car owners can drive any bloody thing they like with a restricted license. SHEESH! Nah, Not saying anymore. I'll get kicked off here if I do.

The whole license system IS a transition period from lower powered bikes to higher powered ones...

If you want it sooner, there are ways to shorten it that there never were in the past. There is also the option involving an airline ticket.

I don't agree with the whole system, particularly the time of day you're not supposed to be on the road, but it is what it is.

[J.A.W.]

Buy a 650 CC LAMS bike.
*cough*derestrict it*cough*
Take test on full power 650
Pass full licence test with virtually no mistakes.
Buy Hayabusa.

Not that I did this of course.

& did your tester run down his LAMS approved list to verify anything..
..& then check that your machine was, compliant/restricted? Of course not..

I also did the old MOT Western Springs 8 week training course to qualify for a full licence sooner, back in the `70s..
I showed up on a different borrowed machine each week.. & passed the final (MOT bike cop followed you around),
on a mate's Norton Dominator 88 ( although back then, a 250cc limit had been - fairly recently - imposed)..

The copper's only comment on the Norton was an approving.. "Those Nortons are a quality bike."

I had been riding around on P's on a Triumph 500, but most cops - like now, didn't have a clue, & didn't really care..

I suppose the computer age & checking of rego details may have changed this a bit, but when was the last
time a cop actually checked your bike's VIN against the rego plate?

[Moi]

The whole license system IS a transition period from smaller bikes to bigger ones...

Bigger ones like this?

[Tazz]

Bigger ones like this?

Nailed it! Can't wait till I can put on my big boy pants and punt half a ton around

[TheDemonLord]

& did your tester run down his LAMS approved list to verify anything..
..& then check that your machine was, compliant/restricted? Of course not..

The Rego said it was still restricted.

The only way to tell would've been if they had checked a particular wire to the ECU or put it on a Dyno

The tester did check the bike was the LAMS approved variant and checked the Rego.

[Ender EnZed]

I guess they would say that in bare feet you aren't in full control of the vehicle and I would tend to agree. Jandals are not suitable either.

That particular kid was failed twice before he even got to sit in the car with the examiner, but I bet he thought he was a shit hot driver.

Wearing jandals while driving is definitely a bit daft, especially when it takes about a second to take them off once you're in the car. But I've never known anyone to put on a pair of driving shoes when getting in the car if they happen to have been wearing jandals.

I wouldn't try to take a driving test in barefeet for much the same reason I wouldn't turn up shirtless, but I don't think it's really an issue in any vaguely modern car.