Ultimate 911 POLL

[TheDemonLord]

Okay lets address each one:

(Let's leave out the fact that he states jet fuel burns at 1500C but chooses to heat his steel rod to 1800C instead).

He's a Blacksmith and keeping your forge at a constant temperature is important - not ideal for a true scientific test, but the principle is clearly demonstrated.

You seem to have forgotten that a large percentage of the jet fuel ignited and burnt off in the initial fireball. (After all, what did you think that big orange ball was - Scotch mist?)

So you have the exact weight of fuel that burnt off in the Fireball and that was left in the tanks, and based on the difference between those 2 figures, worked out the weight of fuel that was left over and determine that the energy output of that fuel wasn't sufficient to weaken the Steel Structure? (not to mention all the other combustable things found in offices) or are you basing the statement on what you think occurred?

You also seem to have forgotten that within an hour the area of impact was at a temperature that would allow people to stand and wave without spontaneously combusting.

I really haven't - if you look closely at the video, you will notice, when the Blacksmith stands in front of his Forge (at 1800 degrees, so hotter than Jet fuel) that he doesn't spontaneously combust. Also consider that there are numerous videos on the internet of Blacksmiths working in front of their Forges - and they don't spontaneously combust either!

And even if the area of impact was heated to 1500C for a short while, do you really think that the building's structure 50 floors below got to anywhere near that temperature?

Steel is a fantastic conductor of heat - if you put a thick steel frying pan on a heat source and touch the very edge of it with bare hand - let me know how that goes.

[Katman]

I really haven't - if you look closely at the video, you will notice, when the Blacksmith stands in front of his Forge (at 1800 degrees, so hotter than Jet fuel) that he doesn't spontaneously combust. Also consider that there are numerous videos on the internet of Blacksmiths working in front of their Forges - and they don't spontaneously combust either!

And I'm sure if someone had been operating a small forge on the 93rd floor it wouldn't have caused the building to collapse either.

[Katman]

Steel is a fantastic conductor of heat - if you put a thick steel frying pan on a heat source and touch the very edge of it with bare hand - let me know how that goes.

Here's an experiment you could try.

Secure a steel rod in a vice so that the rod extends 6 inches out past the vice on both sides.

Then grab your oxy/acetylene torch and heat a spot 2 inches in from the left hand end of the rod until it's glowing red.

Then grab the right hand end of the rod and see if you can bend it.

Let me know how that goes.

[TheDemonLord]

Here's an experiment you could try.

Secure a steel rod in a vice so that the rod extends 6 inches out past the vice on both sides.

Then grab your oxy/acetylene torch and heat a spot 2 inches in from the left hand end of the rod until it's glowing red.

Then grab the right hand end of the rod and see if you can bend it.

Let me know how that goes.

We both know what would happen - the Vice would act as a Heat Sink. However assume that I kept that spot Glowing red for an hour, 2 hours would it make a difference to the Experiment? The answer is dependant on the specific heat capacity of the vice, the steel rod, Ambient losses etc (remembering that a building is insulated whereas your steel rod isn't)

Would it make a difference if the other end was heated by flammable material ignited by a Fireball?

[pzkpfw]

That's as retarded as the thing I saw not long after the event, on youtube. Some guy sticks a brick on top of a wire rabbit cage. Burns a newspaper inside the cage. Surprise, the brick doesn't squash the cage. Aha! Conspiracy! Therefore secret space based lasers. Or something.

Retards.

[yokel]

That's as retarded as the thing I saw not long after the event, on youtube. Some guy sticks a brick on top of a wire rabbit cage. Burns a newspaper inside the cage. Surprise, the brick doesn't squash the cage. Aha! Conspiracy! Therefore secret space based lasers. Or something.

Retards.

Out of all the available vids on YT you choose that one( i've not seen it BTW) to from your opinion??

Yeah you make who the retards are quite clear.

[Woodman]

Out of all the available vids on YT you choose that one( i've not seen it BTW) to from your opinion??

Yeah you make who the retards are quite clear.

Giant flying balls.....Yes the retards are very clear

[yokel]

Giant flying balls.....Yes the retards are very clear

Yes The flying giant balls are just a theory thats turns out to be wrong, you do know what a theory is don't you?
I never believed it because it is just a theory you stupid fuck.

[bogan]

Here's an experiment you could try.

Secure a steel rod in a vice so that the rod extends 6 inches out past the vice on both sides.

Then grab your oxy/acetylene torch and heat a spot 2 inches in from the left hand end of the rod until it's glowing red.

Then grab the right hand end of the rod with an insulative pancake and see if you can bend it.

Let me know how that goes.

You forgot the pancake collapse phenomenon. But I've adjusted your shitty as fuck example to include a shitty as fuck reference to this.

[Woodman]

Yes The flying giant balls are just a theory thats turns out to be wrong, you do know what a theory is don't you?
I never believed it because it is just a theory you stupid fuck.

Yes I do know what a theory is, but like you say it turned out to be wrong, meaning that when you posted it, you must have believed it, yet now you say you never believed it because it was just a theory.

[J.A.W.]

Yes I do know what a theory is, but like you say it turned out to be wrong, meaning that when you posted it, you must have believed it, yet now you say you never believed it because it was just a theory.

Been hard at the woodenbong again?

Too funny, you & your whole quaint 'belief' misapprehension..


Science does not require, or indeed, even register 'belief'.. as a concept - & it has no place in scientific inquiry..

[Woodman]

Been hard at the woodenbong again?

Too funny, you & your whole quaint 'belief' misapprehension..


Science does not require, or indeed, even register 'belief'.. as a concept - & it has no place in scientific inquiry..

There was no science in the giant balls theory. And remember this is yokel we are talking about.

[Katman]

You forgot the pancake collapse phenomenon.

You mean the one that defies the Laws of Physics?

[bogan]

You mean the one that defies the Laws of Physics?

You'll want to insult me for doubting your ability to back that statement up I'm guessing? Cos I'm going to more than doubt it, I'm going to say it's completely full of shit.

Basic laws of physics show how it works, an object with momentum takes force to slow down; falling objects convert gravitational potential to this momentum (kenetic energy) which causes more of the objects to fall, thus entering a very simple self sustaining and increasing falling/momentum scenario.

[Katman]

You'll want to insult me for doubting your ability to back that statement up I'm guessing? Cos I'm going to more than doubt it, I'm going to say it's completely full of shit.

Basic laws of physics show how it works, an object with momentum takes force to slow down; falling objects convert gravitational potential to this momentum (kenetic energy) which causes more of the objects to fall, thus entering a very simple self sustaining and increasing falling/momentum scenario.

I'm sure that's what you want to believe.