Lane splitting crackdown in Wellington?

[atom608]

Saw a bike cop ticketing a rider, about half way around the South bound curve of SH1 - just past LV Martin. About 7:45 a.m.

Traffic was moving well, conditions were perfect, and I had several bikes split past. No drama from anyone.

I do see occasional downed bikes in that general area, but it doesn't seem like nearly enough for any kind of crack-down to occur.

I know the exact part you are talking about and I see him on his bike there all the time, was going about 100 down the gorge one morning at around 8ish and he was there and got me on his radar for sure but i made the decision to turn off down the lv martin road and i saw him pointing his gun off the side of the curved bridge when i looked behind me, luckly he was about 20m up that curve so he wouldn't of been able to turn around. I got ticketed $400 in the temporary 70 zone on the over pass near the ferry terminal xmas day by that same cop that sits at the bottom of the gorge, he was a ginger just like the other guy said and EVERYONE goes at least 80 or 90 in that temp 70 zone because there is never any work being done on the roads during the day or any actual need to slow down. to see a cop ping people in a temp 70 zone which should really be AT LEAST 80 or 90 is fucking pathetic. speeding is speeding but still

[Tazz]

speeding is speeding but still

No it's not. It's an antiquated law enforcement method to show 'presence' in most cases.

How about ticketing the contractor that can disrupt the flow of an entire city by having incorrect and or unnecessary speed restrictions in place.

Doesn't seem to matter if they don't have any in place either for hazards on the road, yet we as drivers/riders are held responsible for going over some often unnecessary limit on highly visible and safe stretches of roads.

You can do 100kph down the Keneperu Road in the sounds yet it's 'dangerous' to do over 70 on a bloody multi lane highway with no active road works?

[FJRider]

No it's not. It's an antiquated law enforcement method to show 'presence' in most cases.

How about ticketing the contractor that can disrupt the flow of an entire city by having incorrect and or unnecessary speed restrictions in place.

Doesn't seem to matter if they don't have any in place either for hazards on the road, yet we as drivers/riders are held responsible for going over some often unnecessary limit on highly visible and safe stretches of roads.

You can do 100kph down the Keneperu Road in the sounds yet it's 'dangerous' to do over 70 on a bloody multi lane highway with no active road works?

The choice is yours as to the choice of obeying the speed limits ... or not. You know the rules and penalties ... should you be caught.

Any such disruption is with the knowledge (and consent) of the Council for that area. What you believe is incorrect or unnecessary restrictions ... are (in most cases) within the guidelines of the work being done. Speed limits set in the interest of public safety. (including yours)

If the speed you choose to travel at ... makes it difficult to see all hazards on the road ahead of you ... slow down.

The 4WD track into Macetown from Arrowtown is 100 km/hr. It IS possible in places. In such cases ... you might not be ticketed for speeding ... but for dangerous driving. (bigger fines though) It can be your choice to ignore the speed limits ... and prove them all wrong. Just don't get caught ... or prove them right ...

[Tazz]

The choice is yours as to the choice of obeying the speed limits ... or not. You know the rules and penalties ... should you be caught.

Any such disruption is with the knowledge (and consent) of the Council for that area. What you believe is incorrect or unnecessary restrictions ... are (in most cases) within the guidelines of the work being done. Speed limits set in the interest of public safety. (including yours)

If the speed you choose to travel at ... makes it difficult to see all hazards on the road ahead of you ... slow down.

The 4WD track into Macetown from Arrowtown is 100 km/hr. It IS possible in places. In such cases ... you might not be ticketed for speeding ... but for dangerous driving. (bigger fines though) It can be your choice to ignore the speed limits ... and prove them all wrong. Just don't get caught ... or prove them right ...

The law and life is not as black and white as simpletons who spew the 'do the crime' line portray.

The system CAN BE WRONG. It's really as simple as that. Hurr durr.

I am aware of the consent. Are you aware a lot of speed limits in towns and cities across NZ were in breach of this and other processes they are legally bound to follow for years? No one got a ticket that can affect their career from that fiasco, other that those penalised because of it, illegally, for those years... I notice Blenhole must have been one as all the 30kph signs are gone. Ironically those built up areas are where the flawed system works the best. Shows how awesome the powers the be are aye XD

[FJRider]

The law and life is not as black and white as simpletons who spew the 'do the crime' line portray.

The system CAN BE WRONG. It's really as simple as that. Hurr durr.

I am aware of the consent. Are you aware a lot of speed limits in towns and cities across NZ were in breach of this and other processes they are legally bound to follow for years? No one got a ticket that can affect their career from that fiasco, other that those penalised because of it, illegally, for those years... I notice Blenhole must have been one as all the 30kph signs are gone. Ironically those built up areas are where the flawed system works the best. Shows how awesome the powers the be are aye XD

At the moment ... it's the only system we have. The "Law of life" is obey it ... or not. Personal choice there ... you know the rules ... etc.

If the system is wrong ... put yourself in a position to change it.

I've been around about 40 more years than you have. As such ... I'm probably aware of a lot more than you may realize.

[Akzle]

I've been around about 40 more years than you have. As such ... I'm probably aware of a lot more than you may realize.

now theres an (oxy) moron, if ever.

theres even people older and dumber than you. would you believe.

[swbarnett]

I've been around about 40 more years than you have. As such ... I'm probably aware of a lot more than you may realize.

First sign of a person who knows very little is one who claims to know a lot.

[nzspokes]

First sign of a person who knows very little is one who claims to know a lot.

Pot meet kettle......

[Tazz]

At the moment ... it's the only system we have. The "Law of life" is obey it ... or not. Personal choice there ... you know the rules ... etc.

If the system is wrong ... put yourself in a position to change it.

I've been around about 40 more years than you have. As such ... I'm probably aware of a lot more than you may realize.

Mate there are 14 year olds that would have a better grasp on the world than you, or I for that matter.

[yevjenko]

If the system is wrong ... put yourself in a position to change it.

Now this is just not possible and you know it

[atom608]

No it's not. It's an antiquated law enforcement method to show 'presence' in most cases.

How about ticketing the contractor that can disrupt the flow of an entire city by having incorrect and or unnecessary speed restrictions in place.

Doesn't seem to matter if they don't have any in place either for hazards on the road, yet we as drivers/riders are held responsible for going over some often unnecessary limit on highly visible and safe stretches of roads.

You can do 100kph down the Keneperu Road in the sounds yet it's 'dangerous' to do over 70 on a bloody multi lane highway with no active road works?

its honestly stupid, 8/10 times I go past that area there is never any road works there or gravel on the road or any lanes being dug up. its just the center of the highway between the road barriers been done up and the time they do end up doing work on it is around 9 at night or something when they might have a truck on the road with some materials and 70 at that time is fair enough but at 12 in the middle of the day clear as day with a full 3 lanes open with no active road works being done I don't see the need to go 70 and neither does 85% or more of the other cars since they are going AT LEAST 80 and then you get the extremely small % of cars that are actually going the 70 temporary speed

[yevjenko]

its honestly stupid, 8/10 times I go past that area there is never any road works there or gravel on the road or any lanes being dug up. its just the center of the highway between the road barriers been done up and the time they do end up doing work on it is around 9 at night or something when they might have a truck on the road with some materials and 70 at that time is fair enough but at 12 in the middle of the day clear as day with a full 3 lanes open with no active road works being done I don't see the need to go 70 and neither does 85% or more of the other cars since they are going AT LEAST 80 and then you get the extremely small % of cars that are actually going the 70 temporary speed

The reason nzta (not the council in this case) have put up the 70 is they claim the lanes are narrower and there is no hard shoulder.

I have an issue with the blanket speed limit like this as it lowers the likelihood of people slowing down when there is work going on (which is quite often when I go that way). Ironically enough the road works are to allow them to build a variable speed limit motorway

[swbarnett]

Pot meet kettle......

When have I ever claimed to be greatly knowledgeable in so many words?

Demonstrating and claiming are two completely different things.

[Varkp]

nothing to do with safety, all to do with money.

when there is a bike accident, it the biker that gets hurt, when last did passengers in a car get wiped out by a biker. very few and far between. would probably be in the sub 1% of passenger injuries.

road policing have a predatory behavior, as its all about financial incentives.
more fines means more money, less accident means more money (acc, medical).

people like FJrider should just shut up, who are you, a cop, and if so, go solve some REAL crimes.

[Ulsterkiwi]

I suppose a system where each individual could choose what they thought was an appropriate speed for that road and the conditions at the time of their using that road would be lovely.
Unfortunately that system would only work if each and every person using that road (driver/rider/cyclist etc) A) had a brain and B) actually used their brain.
I have no reason to cast dispersions on the abilities of anyone who says the speed limit is not needed at any point in time and you are entitled to that opinion. The roading network is a shared resource however and surely it would work best if everyone followed the rules, not just the ones they agree with?
There is a 70kph limit on the Raumati straights at the minute, I think besides myself there are about 4 people who observe it. Why do I observe it? Because I am willing to accept that there might be something going on which I am not aware of, that means a 70kph limit is appropriate. Do I like it? Hell no.

I often think of the truism, some people are only alive because its illegal to kill them. Not liking a rule isn't always enough reason to justify breaking it.

BTW, I like the idea of contractors being held to account for lazy practices with using speed limits. Its on a slightly different scale but the guys doing the expressway work on Te Moana Road are brilliant. The put a 30kph limit on when something is actually happening and its appropriate, when nothing is happening on the road (other than plant crossing the road) its the usual 50kph limit and signposted as such. Why can't they all do that?