Brave

[yokel]

Funny, I've had access to payroll databases before and have looked. So yeah, I'm fine.

The pay gap is irrelevant, how much of the money men make end up in women's hands and vice versa?

How much money does the government spend on the cunts?

Why do you think when a woman gives birth it is called "going in to labour"?

You should also think about why a woman is called a widow and a man is the widower.

The reason women can lie and get away with it is because things like integrity and responsibility are masculine traits.

You know that lame saying "a woman is always right" It's because they can't handle being told they'er wrong. they go fucking mental.

Women are passive and indirect, they want shit to come to them eg "the universe (man) will provide" while men are aggressive and direct.

There is nothing worse than passive have no direction go with the flow dudes, because thats a female way of thinking.

[TheDemonLord]

No, you were talking about women being inferior and needed to change the focus from that... but hey.

No - Yokel was talking about women being Inferior.

I said:

I do believe that men and women are equal - but Equal in the sense does not mean Identical.

I then said that Society holds women less accountable for their words and actions - even presenting statistical proof of this (40% less accountable in fact).

But hey, Feel free to put words in my mouth and setup a Strawman.

[Akzle]

why the fuck anyone would want to employ something that's only going to work (and i use the term loosely) for three weeks in the month is fucken beyond me.

[mashman]

No - Yokel was talking about women being Inferior.

I said:

I then said that Society holds women less accountable for their words and actions - even presenting statistical proof of this (40% less accountable in fact).

But hey, Feel free to put words in my mouth and setup a Strawman.

As were you, because you were making equivalent pay arguments, not equal pay, just like the fucknuckle below.

Statistical proof is wank, completely totally and utterly as it can't calculate the environment at the time the lie was told. Stop believing in that shit as fact, because it's a guess... and to be honest even IF the analysis holds some form of water, men have only themselves to blame because they have created an environment that treats women differently based on gender and the bodily functions and drives that women have. Anyone can walk out of a job at any time. Your argument is to be expected though, because you know no better... you really don't. It's also highly hypocritical given the argument that you're making in regards to roosh. Essentially if society i.e. you, didn't have the prejudices you have towards women, then there'd be no problem. Ironically your history contains evidence of societies that treated the being as a being, not a man or a woman. The distinction is the problem, it always is and it always has been when the male dominator cultures splattered the brains of men, women and children alike over beaches and fields in pursuit of money and power. You are indoctrinated by someone else's belief and a history of lies.

No Strawman, just your usual lack of understanding and the backing up of that understanding using guesses and other society's bullshit. Stupidity beyond belief, but hey, that's the way you've allowed yourself to be educated (as was I, once). Men and women are different is all. Treating them (including race, age etc...) as such merely buys into the bullshit and keeps it going for the next generation to have the separation wedged even further into society's accepted norms. Grow the fuck up man.

why the fuck anyone would want to employ something that's only going to work (and i use the term loosely) for three weeks in the month is fucken beyond me.

jew.

[Akzle]

jew.

baaaahahahahahhaah. Bleeding out the vagina is a perfectly legitimate excuse for not working. Why the fuck theyre allowed/ pretend to is beyond me.

[mashman]

The pay gap is irrelevant, how much of the money men make end up in women's hands and vice versa?

How much money does the government spend on the cunts?

Why do you think when a woman gives birth it is called "going in to labour"?

You should also think about why a woman is called a widow and a man is the widower.

The reason women can lie and get away with it is because things like integrity and responsibility are masculine traits.

You know that lame saying "a woman is always right" It's because they can't handle being told they'er wrong. they go fucking mental.

Women are passive and indirect, they want shit to come to them eg "the universe (man) will provide" while men are aggressive and direct.

There is nothing worse than passive have no direction go with the flow dudes, because thats a female way of thinking.

So, if you have empathy, compassion and know how to love, you're thinking like a woman? There are no fuckin traits... just societal norms and a very long history of men dominating women, PERIOD!

The thing I love though, is now that men are getting a taste of their own medicine i.e. perceived female dominance, they seem to need to cram women back into the society boxes so that they don't get immasculated. Here's a suggestion, grow a pair, grow the fuck up and stop blaming gender differences, enforced by thousands of years of gender repression, as an excuse for men allowing themselves to be dominated by a woman. Same goes for any woman that is dominated by a man, the subjugated party chooses that position. It's pathetic scared old blind white male muthafucka thinking.

[mashman]

baaaahahahahahhaah. Bleeding out the vagina is a perfectly legitimate excuse for not working. Why the fuck theyre allowed/ pretend to is beyond me.

No, it isn't, however it's debilitating for some women some of the time, not all women all of the time innit. We had a guy in our office who constantly had migraines. He was replaced by a woman and the place worked well... she also had more in the way of balls that he did. Meh, some of you dickheads just lubs yer indoctrinated bullshit, eh sensei

[TheDemonLord]

As were you, because you were making equivalent pay arguments, not equal pay, just like the fucknuckle below.

No - Did I say anything about Women being inferior? No - I am saying that once you account for all the variables that would determine whether someone should be paid more or less:

Ie Comparing a man, with the same degree of education, the same hours worked, the same years experience, in the same field and specialisation to a Woman - the Pay gap disappears. This is because Men and Women Earn the same for the same work.

Statistical proof is wank, completely totally and utterly as it can't calculate the environment at the time the lie was told.

Wow! The Hypocrisy:

in fact it's well documented that women aren't paid as well as men

How can I forget what I didn't know. Select Name from Table Order By RateOfPay.

In case you are confused - a SQL Query counts as a statistical analysis - so Statistical proof is 'Well documented' when it agrees with what you believe, but is Wank when it completed disproves it.

The absolute Hypocrisy.

Stop believing in that shit as fact, because it's a guess...

I'll bend over and grant you that all the variables that we are currently able to measure, there are several that we are unable to measure - however if these were a significant factor, when we account for the variables that we can accurately measure - we would expect there to be still a noticeable difference between the earnings of men and women - but we don't - which suggests that any effect these variables might have is negligible

and to be honest even IF the analysis holds some form of water, men have only themselves to blame because they have created an environment that treats women differently based on gender and the bodily functions and drives that women have.

Oh Wow. The 'Even if Women do xyz, its all Mens Fault anyway' argument. Do you have any idea how incredibly sexist this argument is? First off - it robs women of all Agency - it doesn't matter what a woman can do, because Men - Do you really have that low opinion of Women? Secondly Why are men responsible for Womens choices? A large number of women choose either part time work or to forgo more lucrative work that could interfere with their family life. If women want to choose this - then that is there choice and I 100% support their right to choose - however this doesn't mean they should earn the same as someone who works full time or decides to take a more lucrative position, Exactly the same way that a Man shouldn't either.

Case in point - compare the Degrees being taken by Women in Sweden (one of the most egalitarian societies) with India (where there is a demonstrable Rape culture, Institutionalised Mysoginy, not to mention the Caste system and 'honor' killings).

The women in India who entire University make up a higher percentage of STEM degrees, when compared to women in Sweden.

It shows that when women are free to make the choices they want to make, they don't make the same choices as men.

Anyone can walk out of a job at any time. Your argument is to be expected though, because you know no better... you really don't.

What is it you always post?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes - I do know better - because I have walked out of a Job (and it was the best damn decision I ever made) - Any more assumptions about me and my past that you would like to make that are completely untrue?

It's also highly hypocritical given the argument that you're making in regards to roosh.

Roosh is an Ass - but are you so dim-witted that you can't recognise Hyperbole? Its just the same as when I suggest that to stop Car drivers pulling out in front of Bikes, we should equip Motorcycles with RPGs - yet I don't see you calling me a Car hater for that?

Essentially if society i.e. you, didn't have the prejudices you have towards women, then there'd be no problem.

Except I don't have Prejudices towards women - I just treat them exactly the same as I would treat a Man and want the Law to treat them the same as a Man, I don't want them to receive preferential treatment because I believe this runs counter to the principles of Meritocracy.

Ironically your history contains evidence of societies that treated the being as a being, not a man or a woman.

Tell me then - did these societies have perfect Pay Parity? And to which societies are you referring to?

The distinction is the problem, it always is and it always has been when the male dominator cultures splattered the brains of men, women and children alike over beaches and fields in pursuit of money and power. You are indoctrinated by someone else's belief and a history of lies.

Wait a minute - are you saying that history shows humanity to be Violent and Greedy - NOW where have I heard you say that it isn't so, denying it vigorously...

But yes - Men have committed atrocities in the search for Domination, Money, Power etc. I answer the charge truthfully - but such charges are a double edged blade - The drive for Domination is what produced excellence, advancement. The evolutionary drive to be the best (In B4 you try and dismiss evolutionary biology despite agreeing with its existence above, when it suits your argument) is the same for the SAS soldier as it is for the Nobel prize winning scientist - different applications, same drive.

As an interesting note - the Bell curve for IQ for women tends to be narrower than for Men - there is no evolutionary benefit for having exceptional women - as in a primitive tribal settings, even the Average females get to have offspring, conversely only Exceptional men had the right to have offspring, thus there are more Male geniuses (one way of being exceptional) but also more male Meatheads (the other way of being exceptional)

No Strawman, just your usual lack of understanding and the backing up of that understanding using guesses and other society's bullshit.

You know - I am getting really tired of you dismissing Sciences and fields of studies that you don't like because they disagree with your beliefs - especially when you have nothing in the way of valid critique other than 'I don't like them' or 'they can't possibly know that', especially when you are so quick to use them to support your beliefs. So yes, Keep Setting up Strawmen, but know that it is not my lack of understanding at work here.

Stupidity beyond belief, but hey, that's the way you've allowed yourself to be educated (as was I, once).

DING DING DING! We have a Winner - No I was never educated as such - in fact I was educated quite the opposite - When I was at primary school - we were told not to hit Girls - this is probably the first instance when I realized that something wasn't right, I didn't have the mental reasoning at that age to express or understand why this was wrong - it wasn't for a desire to hit girls (far from it) but I reason that if there is a scenario where it is acceptable to hit a Male (Self Defence, Defence of someone who cannot defend themselves etc.) then surely it is equally acceptable to hit a Female for the same reasons - yet this is not the case.

You could argue that due to sexually dimorphism in our species (50% more upper body strength, thicker bones, greater height, reach and weight on average) that there is a reason for this rule - but again I contend that Men and Women should be treated equally.

Men and women are different is all. Treating them (including race, age etc...) as such merely buys into the bullshit and keeps it going for the next generation to have the separation wedged even further into society's accepted norms. Grow the fuck up man.

Except you are the one who uses an argument that robs women of all freedom of choice. I believe Women are Equal but not identical to Men, All I want is for them to be treated equally under the Law and by society.

And as I have posted, there are numerous studies that show Women get preferrential treatment in a multitude of areas - by Society, by the Law and by the State - If we are ever to acheive Equality - don't you think these should be looked at critically?

[mashman]

No - Did I say anything about Women being inferior? No - I am saying that once you account for all the variables that would determine whether someone should be paid more or less:

Ie Comparing a man, with the same degree of education, the same hours worked, the same years experience, in the same field and specialisation to a Woman - the Pay gap disappears. This is because Men and Women Earn the same for the same work.

Wow! The Hypocrisy:

No, just your misunderstanding.

In case you are confused - a SQL Query counts as a statistical analysis - so Statistical proof is 'Well documented' when it agrees with what you believe, but is Wank when it completed disproves it.

There is no statistical analysis using the query I posted. You don't know what statistical analysis is.

The absolute Hypocrisy.

I'll bend over and grant you that all the variables that we are currently able to measure, there are several that we are unable to measure - however if these were a significant factor, when we account for the variables that we can accurately measure - we would expect there to be still a noticeable difference between the earnings of men and women - but we don't - which suggests that any effect these variables might have is negligible

There are no variables where you are treating someone the same.

Oh Wow. The 'Even if Women do xyz, its all Mens Fault anyway' argument. Do you have any idea how incredibly sexist this argument is? First off - it robs women of all Agency - it doesn't matter what a woman can do, because Men - Do you really have that low opinion of Women? Secondly Why are men responsible for Womens choices? A large number of women choose either part time work or to forgo more lucrative work that could interfere with their family life. If women want to choose this - then that is there choice and I 100% support their right to choose - however this doesn't mean they should earn the same as someone who works full time or decides to take a more lucrative position, Exactly the same way that a Man shouldn't either.

Case in point - compare the Degrees being taken by Women in Sweden (one of the most egalitarian societies) with India (where there is a demonstrable Rape culture, Institutionalised Mysoginy, not to mention the Caste system and 'honor' killings).

The women in India who entire University make up a higher percentage of STEM degrees, when compared to women in Sweden.

It shows that when women are free to make the choices they want to make, they don't make the same choices as men.

Misrepresentation.

What is it you always post?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes - I do know better - because I have walked out of a Job (and it was the best damn decision I ever made) - Any more assumptions about me and my past that you would like to make that are completely untrue?

It was highlighting the idocy of your argument in regards to your variable of women getting to a certain age and then not working to raise kids. So you misrepresented that too.

Roosh is an Ass - but are you so dim-witted that you can't recognise Hyperbole? Its just the same as when I suggest that to stop Car drivers pulling out in front of Bikes, we should equip Motorcycles with RPGs - yet I don't see you calling me a Car hater for that?

More misrepresentation via lack of post understanding.

Except I don't have Prejudices towards women - I just treat them exactly the same as I would treat a Man and want the Law to treat them the same as a Man, I don't want them to receive preferential treatment because I believe this runs counter to the principles of Meritocracy.

You end with Meritocracy, which demands prejudice by definition.

Tell me then - did these societies have perfect Pay Parity? And to which societies are you referring to?

They weren't using money.

Wait a minute - are you saying that history shows humanity to be Violent and Greedy - NOW where have I heard you say that it isn't so, denying it vigorously...

But yes - Men have committed atrocities in the search for Domination, Money, Power etc. I answer the charge truthfully - but such charges are a double edged blade - The drive for Domination is what produced excellence, advancement. The evolutionary drive to be the best (In B4 you try and dismiss evolutionary biology despite agreeing with its existence above, when it suits your argument) is the same for the SAS soldier as it is for the Nobel prize winning scientist - different applications, same drive.

As an interesting note - the Bell curve for IQ for women tends to be narrower than for Men - there is no evolutionary benefit for having exceptional women - as in a primitive tribal settings, even the Average females get to have offspring, conversely only Exceptional men had the right to have offspring, thus there are more Male geniuses (one way of being exceptional) but also more male Meatheads (the other way of being exceptional)

99% of the population was being peaceful at the time. I never said our entire history was that way, just your usual lack of understanding and misrepresetation. Ironically you're lying to yourself.

You know - I am getting really tired of you dismissing Sciences and fields of studies that you don't like because they disagree with your beliefs - especially when you have nothing in the way of valid critique other than 'I don't like them' or 'they can't possibly know that', especially when you are so quick to use them to support your beliefs. So yes, Keep Setting up Strawmen, but know that it is not my lack of understanding at work here.

I dismiss it because it's demonstrably bullshit. The irony is, I used to believe exactly the same shit you do. You won't understand what that means though, because you are incapable of shifting your thinking because someone else says that you're right. No strawman required.

DING DING DING! We have a Winner - No I was never educated as such - in fact I was educated quite the opposite - When I was at primary school - we were told not to hit Girls - this is probably the first instance when I realized that something wasn't right, I didn't have the mental reasoning at that age to express or understand why this was wrong - it wasn't for a desire to hit girls (far from it) but I reason that if there is a scenario where it is acceptable to hit a Male (Self Defence, Defence of someone who cannot defend themselves etc.) then surely it is equally acceptable to hit a Female for the same reasons - yet this is not the case.

You could argue that due to sexually dimorphism in our species (50% more upper body strength, thicker bones, greater height, reach and weight on average) that there is a reason for this rule - but again I contend that Men and Women should be treated equally.

You were educated that way, because I was and recognise exactly the same positions that you've taken because I once took them myself. So, more misrepresentation. You're coming from some perspective that YOU think I have, which is so wrong it almost brings me to tears... in a good way mind.

Except you are the one who uses an argument that robs women of all freedom of choice. I believe Women are Equal but not identical to Men, All I want is for them to be treated equally under the Law and by society.

And as I have posted, there are numerous studies that show Women get preferrential treatment in a multitude of areas - by Society, by the Law and by the State - If we are ever to acheive Equality - don't you think these should be looked at critically?

More misrepresentation because of your lack of understanding.

I thought it worth getting "my" wife's input on the recent pages, especially as she's known me for 20 years, and is a woman. This is why I can categorically state 100% that your misrepresentation is brought on by YOUR lack of understanding. No one else's, YOURS. I mentioned that you had recently had a kid in rebuttal of her argument that you don't seem to have any balls. You're welcome.

He has misrepresented absolutely everything you've posted.

[Akzle]

No, it isn't, however it's debilitating for some women some of the time, not all women all of the time innit. We had a guy in our office who constantly had migraines. He was replaced by a woman and the place worked well... she also had more in the way of balls that he did. Meh, some of you dickheads just lubs yer indoctrinated bullshit, eh sensei

if i bled out the nose for a week, i wouldnt be working. Same if migraines.

There are fundamental differences between male and female. We're not all just "beings"

and as it is, fuck working anywhere near women. They suck at working.

[TheDemonLord]

No, just your misunderstanding.

Right - your argument must be so strong and your evidence so robust is you just reply with 'your Misunderstanding' - if it was my misunderstanding - you would post evidence to the contrary or you would correct my misunderstanding by Clarifying your position. You have done neither.

There is no statistical analysis using the query I posted. You don't know what statistical analysis is.

The Definition:

statistical analysis involves collecting and scrutinizing every data sample in a set of items from which samples can be drawn. A sample, in statistics, is a representative selection drawn from a total population.

Your sample is the Workers at the company, The Data is the content of the DATAbase, and the scrutinizing is running a select statement and ordering the results. Not a very in depth or long winded statistical analysis, but an analysis of data none the less.

There are no variables where you are treating someone the same.

I despair - Treating people who have the same key variables (in a work context) the same is what I am saying happens - you are saying that it doesn't because of what swings between their legs.

Misrepresentation.

See point 1.

It was highlighting the idocy of your argument in regards to your variable of women getting to a certain age and then not working to raise kids. So you misrepresented that too.

you are starting to convince that you are being intentionally dim. I'll spell it out:

When a women leaves the workforce to raise kids (for anywhere from 6 months to a year) and then comes back - she doesn't have the same amount of experience as a person of Same Age, Education etc. Therefore She is Paid less, not because she is a woman but because she has less experience due to life choices than her peers.

More misrepresentation via lack of post understanding.

See point 1.

You end with Meritocracy, which demands prejudice by definition.

Absolutley - but NOT of Gender. Meritocracy prejudices on results and performance. If a Women produces the same results or performance as a Man then she should be paid the same, if she produces more results or better performance than a Man, she should be paid more, if she produces less or has worse performance she should be paid less.

At no time there is any discrimination on Gender.

They weren't using money.

Who was the Civilization and how do you know that there was parity between the sexes?

99% of the population was being peaceful at the time. I never said our entire history was that way, just your usual lack of understanding and misrepresetation. Ironically you're lying to yourself.

But you did say that it Always happens - Always and Entire - very similar meanings. Also: See point 1.

I dismiss it because it's demonstrably bullshit. The irony is, I used to believe exactly the same shit you do. You won't understand what that means though, because you are incapable of shifting your thinking because someone else says that you're right. No strawman required.

If it is Demonstrably Bullshit - then by all means write a paper, submit your 'Demonstrable' evidence, claim your Nobel prizes in Mathematics, Biology etc. I'd be willing to bet my House that you won't win a Nobel prize though.

What you have actually written here is a perfect example of indoctrination: 'You would see I'm right if only you would think the way I do' as opposed to submitting EVIDENCE to prove your case.

You were educated that way, because I was and recognise exactly the same positions that you've taken because I once took them myself. So, more misrepresentation. You're coming from some perspective that YOU think I have, which is so wrong it almost brings me to tears... in a good way mind.

See point 1.

More misrepresentation because of your lack of understanding.

See point 1.

I thought it worth getting "my" wife's input on the recent pages, especially as she's known me for 20 years, and is a woman. This is why I can categorically state 100% that your misrepresentation is brought on by YOUR lack of understanding. No one else's, YOURS. I mentioned that you had recently had a kid in rebuttal of her argument that you don't seem to have any balls. You're welcome.

So - I'm wrong because your wife says so..... And she was saying something about Balls?

He has misrepresented absolutely everything you've posted.

See. Point. Fucking. 1.

[Madness]

if i bled out the nose for a week, i wouldnt be working. Same if migraines.

[yokel]

So, if you have empathy, compassion and know how to love, you're thinking like a woman? There are no fuckin traits... just societal norms and a very long history of men dominating women, PERIOD!

The thing I love though, is now that men are getting a taste of their own medicine i.e. perceived female dominance, they seem to need to cram women back into the society boxes so that they don't get immasculated. Here's a suggestion, grow a pair, grow the fuck up and stop blaming gender differences, enforced by thousands of years of gender repression, as an excuse for men allowing themselves to be dominated by a woman. Same goes for any woman that is dominated by a man, the subjugated party chooses that position. It's pathetic scared old blind white male muthafucka thinking.

Yes you are thinking like a woman or a man thinking in a feminine way.

Do you know the diffidence between how a man expresses love vs a woman?

The fact is men as a whole are superior both physical and mentally eg 10% bigger brains with more grey matter.
but women are equally important as men because they make the babies.




And speaking of pathetic scared old blind white male muthafucka




You can't win this argument, even with the help of your wife.
so just submit to my dominating intellect like a good little bitch.

[TheDemonLord]

So, if you have empathy, compassion and know how to love, you're thinking like a woman? There are no fuckin traits... just societal norms and a very long history of men dominating women, PERIOD

If there is no such thing as thinking and feeling like a Woman (or a Man for that matter) - How do you explain Transgender people? Biologically one gender, but identify as another?

Also:

The thing I love though, is now that men are getting a taste of their own medicine

What the Actual Fuck?!?!

'Sir! Sir, They did it first Sir, so I did it back'

That makes it right does it?

Edit:

Also - I'm not sure what Medicine you might be thinking but Highest Suicide rates, Highest Murder Victim rates, Highest rates of being assaulted, Highest Work place death rates (in many years in NZ its 100%) - Sounds like the 'Medicine' wasn't all bitter and oppression.

[mashman]

If there is no such thing as thinking and feeling like a Woman (or a Man for that matter) - How do you explain Transgender people? Biologically one gender, but identify as another?

Also:

What the Actual Fuck?!?!

'Sir! Sir, They did it first Sir, so I did it back'

That makes it right does it?

Edit:

Also - I'm not sure what Medicine you might be thinking but Highest Suicide rates, Highest Murder Victim rates, Highest rates of being assaulted, Highest Work place death rates (in many years in NZ its 100%) - Sounds like the 'Medicine' wasn't all bitter and oppression.

The question mark should have given away what I was asking. YOUR misunderstanding

No, I'm just laughing at men crying foul given the history of the fight of women for recognition against their male oppressors... the same recognition you claim they should have, I already give without question or variable. I guess your misunderstanding and misrepresentation knows no bounds.

As for medicine... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I would have addressed the point if you hadn't have misrepresented everything, and I do mean just about everything, that I had already posted.