Meth War inevitable? What d'ya reckon?

[nodrog:Me]

Which reminds me. Have you seen Requiem For A Dream?

Is that the porno with Susan Boyle?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is that the porno with Susan Boyle?

Lol. You cunt! The mental image...arrrrgh

[awayatc]

The social cost of this drug would pay for a a lot of boarder control, put

get rid of that boarder if he bothers you.....

[jonbuoy]

Not sure that the drug dealers and producers want it legalised either it's not in their interests - what else are they going to use to get power and money - prostitutions gone legit, we all steal music and movies off the internet so no hooky CD/ DVD's, porn industry has gone corporate, no one steals car stereos anymore. What's left for your local shady character to do if drugs go?

[Edbear]

Yes. There is a huge range of low content alcohol beers and wines available. And total alcohol consumption in NZ has been falling for a long time. Same goes for cigarettes. You dont see it much here but there are low tar options available.

Edit. You wont ever see this happen in the black market because it pays a pusher to make someone an addict. They then have a captive buyer.

And also some higher percentage beers too, the low tar cigs are like low sugar drinks. A sop to the do gooders who think it makes a difference.

[Madness]

What's left for your local shady character to do if drugs go?

Forex trading and Tinder stand-overs?

[Ocean1]

Go here ... http://www.anewzealand.com/statistics-bad.php

Well I guess you would, if you were looking for confirmation of your particular beliefs.

Otherwise you'd probably go here: http://www.anewzealand.com/statistics-good.php

But you go right ahead with your wee confirmation bias experiment.

You are experimenting, right?

I'm not linking drugs and suicide in any cause and effect relationship - I'm suggesting that drug abuse and suicide are BOTH symptoms of a society with major issues ..

If society did what was required to manage poor personal decisions and bad behaviour you'd be the very first to bleat like fuck.

What a typically knee-jerk reaction from you ...

No, I am not shifting the blame from the dealers and crims. However, they do not create the conditions under which they can sell their products. They do not create the demand.

On your same basis, we can blame the pubs, hotels, clubs and liquor stores for alcoholism ...

It's a knee jerk reaction to point out that bad behaviour is the fault of those behaving badly?

And you most certainly are attempting to shift blame. It's not society's fault that dealers and users cause the damage they do, is it? It's the fucking dealers and users fault. Isn't it?

There's certainly a place for help from society for users, and effective policing and sentencing of the illegal trade in drugs, we're already spending shitloads on it, as you well know. But don't try to pretend that it's society's fault that it hasn't fixed every individual's bad behaviour.

What I am suggesting is that there are major social problems in this country which lead people to commit suicide and to use drugs .. if those social problems are recognized and solutions put in place, then the market for illicit drugs (and legal ones) will dry up ...

Couldn't agree more. Social welfare here has a lot to answer for, don't it?

[Swoop]

Whereas in fact the problem, as defined by that "society" you're blaming for it can and should be laid squarely at the feet of the illegal distribution and use. Criminals.

Following the trail here...
The users are feeding the dealers ($$'s).
The dealers feed the meth cooks,
The cooks feed the suppliers (motorcycle gangs), who then spend the profits in the most hideous way possible,
Purchasing harley davidsons.

Time to stop this lunacy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The sooner we make drug usage a health issue rather than a criminal issue the better.

[Jin]

The sooner we make drug usage a health issue rather than a criminal issue the better.

It was just a few weeks ago Dunne said the same thing drugs should be treated as a health issue. Then in the same breath said he didnt think drugs should be legalised or decriminalised.

[nzspokes]

The sooner we make drug usage a health issue rather than a criminal issue the better.

Well it kinda is really. Plenty working in addiction services.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was just a few weeks ago Dunne said the same thing drugs should be treated as a health issue. Then in the same breath said he didnt think drugs should be legalised or decriminalised.

Yeah but that guy is a raving cock smoker. I like vages.

[OddDuck]

We have to ask ourselves, in this "South Pacific paradise' why we have one of the highest use/abuse of drug and alcohol rates in the world. Why do we have one of the highest suicide/Youth suicide rates in the world. (and all our other low performance statistics ..) Can't our people see that those two ideas might be linked?

People say drugs area 'gang problem' a 'health problem" ...

Bullshit - it's a social problem.

What is it about our society that people want to leave it - either by "getting out of it" or by topping themselves ??? What are people trying to escape from?

Until we can answer that question, and put in the appropriate social response, we will never win a "war of drugs".

Agree. Loads of New Zealanders are having rough as guts hard lives.

We like to think that this is an egalitarian society, that anyone here can have a fair go... Nope. If you're a moneyed-up caucasian Baby Boomer then this place is awesome. If you're almost anyone else then it's a different story.

Dysfunction - politics, the workplace, public services - has become a plague. I mean, pick an area - any area - and go to it. It's just everywhere.

News media doesn't help either. MSM is all about the news that sells. Shock value sells. So loads of it is a horror show. Not good for a person's outlook if they read too much of it for too long, heaps of it is confirming people's fears and negativity.

We just love to tear each other down, too. Criticism, negative reinforcement... we're damn good at that stuff. Bossing each other around, turning everything into a fight or a drama, and never forgetting a wrong. We like to think we're easygoing, these days I'm really not sure it's true anymore.

Detail overload, all the stuff you've gotta keep track of... never seems like it gets lighter.

Last thing I'll say (gotta get to work) is that people need people. We need a certain amount of human time, a certain amount of meeting new people. We've always been reserved, but it's getting really impersonal out there.

Lonely, broke, got no options, stuck in a shit job and everything sucks... why wouldn't you look for a way out?

[PrincessBandit]

He's got a point - if the government banned spirits tommorrow we would see more of this. At the moment we see nothing wrong with someone sitting down with a Cuban cigar and a single malt whisky. Ingesting and inhaling toxic substances for pleasure - what's the difference?

I don't think a stogie (or even an expensive fat Cuban fire turd) with a single malt whisky turn their ingestors into psychotic paranoid wackos though.

[Banditbandit]

What's left for your local shady character to do ?

Politics

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