Death by Cheesecutter, again?

[James Deuce]

Leave acting like a fuckwit out of the equation for now, what probable causes will see a motorcyclist collide with a Wire Rope Barrier?

That simply doesn't matter. Everything is speculation until it happens. The outcome of a simple collision can be negligible to fatal for any motorcyclist, at any time, irrespective of cause, effect or intent. The list is infinite.

[trufflebutter]

That simply doesn't matter. Everything is speculation until it happens. The outcome of a simple collision can be negligible to fatal for any motorcyclist, at any time, irrespective of cause, effect or intent. The list is infinite.

Sounds like a response from page one of a Wire Rope Barrier installers handbook.

[skippa1]

Sounds a response from page one of a Wire Rope Barrier installers handbook.

It actually just sounds like common sense......there are so many influencing factors that control the outcome of a motorcycle collision that no two are the same, likewise the outcomes for the rider

[trufflebutter]

It actually just sounds like common sense......there are so many influencing factors that control the outcome of a motorcycle collision that no two are the same, likewise the outcomes for the rider

''So many influencing factors'' yet you wont even name one? Typical stance of this forum, we are talking about Wire Rope Barriers here in particular, not collisions with anything else specifically.

[swbarnett]

No, they're killing themselves. Would Dee McMahon and Natalia Austin have fared better hitting oncoming traffic? Would the people they'd have hit, been better off?

There is no guarantee that any given down biker that hit a barrier would've hit anything.

[swbarnett]

Leave acting like a fuckwit out of the equation for now, what probable causes will see a motorcyclist collide with a Wire Rope Barrier?

Weather, traffic and mechanical failure come to mind.

[Erelyes]

''So many influencing factors'' yet you wont even name one? Typical stance of this forum, we are talking about Wire Rope Barriers here in particular, not collisions with anything else specifically.

Don't be obtuse.

Here's one, are you on the bike or off? If on, are you in the middle of lowsiding, highsiding or endo'ing? If off, are you flying, sliding, tumbling? Are you in front of, beside, behind, or under the bike?

et-fucking-cetera.

Could you honestly not extrapolate that from your imagination?

[trufflebutter]

Refreshing to see that not all males on here answer a simple question without first trying to divert.

[Berries]

Anyone posted this yet?

http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Products...ers&MenuItem=1

[James Deuce]

Sounds a response from page one of a Wire Rope Barrier installers handbook.

At the risk of stating the obvious have you ever participated in a non-injury, minor injury, moderate injury, severe injury, near-death, or fatal motorcycle accident?

I've managed 5.5 of those 6 in multiple different environments. Hitting things wasn't usually the #1 cause of big problems. It was things hitting me.

I don't subscribe to the comment you posted further on about "males" answering with "evasion". I think you probably have a rosier view of motorcycling than me. I'm not evading anything. The more I know about riding bikes, the more I know that there is no point trying to address single points of failure in the accident/injury/death cycle. The number 1 contributor to motorcycle accidents is the mental attitude of all the participants of a particular accident. Number 2 is a lack of skills to address a particular situation on the part of the all the participants of a particular accident.

If I'm going to crash I prefer a race track. Having said that I've had 3 good mates succumb to their injuries either instantly or over a few days after racing incidents. I've crashed there a bit. You slide and slide and then stand up provided no one hits you or you don't hit something. If you highside, all bets are off. On the road,once you're sliding, you're just a vaguely out of control meat-missile that is subject to luck and other people's reaction times, decisions, and skill.

On the road you easily fall victim to a list of potential events and situations that would boggle the mind if you would just engage your imagination. Barriers and road side furniture just something you have to live with. The list of things you can't control is endless. The only things you CAN control are your mental attitude, your skills, and the protective clothing you CHOOSE to wear, while understanding that the protective clothing may do nothing to ameliorate injuries or may make a life saving difference, or may let you live when it may have been better to die.

I have no idea why people get so upset by WRBs when there is no proof to support them being any better or worse than single rail armco for instance, which is very common in NZ, when there are people in NZ who are happy to open their car door on you in traffic. That's attempted murder in my book. The biggest barrier to addressing the road toll in NZ is in people's heads. Fix that and you're left with unavoidable things like rock falls, mechanical failure and natural disaster.

[Moi]

Anyone posted this yet?

http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Products...ers&MenuItem=1

Something which would improve the safety of the WRB and armco barrier uprights is available in NZ and conforms with NZ safety standards. Yet on the Coromandel they used a lower barrier on the armco road-side barriers - does suggest that the lower barrier may be considered safer, though probably more expensive.

[skippa1]

''So many influencing factors'' yet you wont even name one? Typical stance of this forum, we are talking about Wire Rope Barriers here in particular, not collisions with anything else specifically.

Fuck me....are you really that stupid?

[eldog]

At the risk of stating the obvious have you ever participated in a non-injury, minor injury, moderate injury, severe injury, near-death, or fatal motorcycle accident?

The more I know about riding bikes, the more I know that there is no point trying to address single points of failure in the accident/injury/death cycle. The number 1 contributor to motorcycle accidents is the mental attitude of all the participants of a particular accident. Number 2 is a lack of skills to address a particular situation on the part of the all the participants of a particular accident.

If I'm going to crash I prefer a race track. Having said that I've had 3 good mates succumb to their injuries either instantly or over a few days after racing incidents. I've crashed there a bit. You slide and slide and then stand up provided no one hits you or you don't hit something. If you highside, all bets are off. On the road,once you're sliding, you're just a vaguely out of control meat-missile that is subject to luck and other people's reaction times, decisions, and skill.

On the road you easily fall victim to a list of potential events and situations that would boggle the mind if you would just engage your imagination. Barriers and road side furniture just something you have to live with. The list of things you can't control is endless. The only things you CAN control are your mental attitude, your skills, and the protective clothing you CHOOSE to wear, while understanding that the protective clothing may do nothing to ameliorate injuries or may make a life saving difference, or may let you live when it may have been better to die.

I have no idea why people get so upset by WRBs when there is no proof to support them being any better or worse than single rail armco for instance, which is very common in NZ, when there are people in NZ who are happy to open their car door on you in traffic. That's attempted murder in my book. The biggest barrier to addressing the road toll in NZ is in people's heads. Fix that and you're left with unavoidable things like rock falls, mechanical failure and natural disaster.

I have suffered the first 3 types of injury
Agree about #1 and especially about #2 - lack of skills of what to do in a situation

Bike setup such as tyres and being able to react to situations will help reduce/avoid incidents

Riders choice and making informed decision, certainly will improve outcome.

WRB's are highly visible targets in the eyes of the public.
To me it's obvious they can relatively easy to improve.
The posts are already there just like ARMCO or W barriers so installation cost is greatly reduced compared to original installation etc no matter what the type

[Swoop]

Weather, traffic and mechanical failure come to mind.

Let's not forget the ever popular (with council repair people) "re-seal the road surface, coat liberally with pea gravel, fail to erect signposts, fail to sweep road surface of pea-gravel" option. Especially important to do this on, or near, a corner.
Stick a WRB on that corner and you have an entirely different scenario.

[trufflebutter]

Fuck me....are you really that stupid?

Going out on a limb here but I would suggest that stupidity is rampant both on and off the road as you have others have recently demonstrated throughout this forum.