BREXIT - some assistance required

[TheDemonLord]

Not sure what logic you're using, but it's dumb.

Well, it is your logic.....

So I guess that does mean that both your and Katman's statements are correct......

[Akzle]

So by that Logic, we should stop using Computers - after all, my entire job is fixing systems that are constantly Breaking...

git r linux bro

[TheDemonLord]

git r linux bro

Funny story - As a result of some job changes, I'm expanding into *nix (centos, RHEL, Debian and Ubuntu)

[jonbuoy]

They have halved the operational rigs due to the low price of 30- 50 a barrel.

It is however easier to restart a land based rig than the sea based ones.

To keep on topic, would the North Sea rigs go to Scotland in the event of the UK leaving the EU and a breakup of the UK.

Wouldn't think so - with the price of oil as low as it is you would think the sweaties´would be breathing a sigh of relief at not getting independence. I don´t think you can run a country on kilts, bad jumpers, shortbread and haggis sales.

[Akzle]

Funny story - As a result of some job changes, I'm expanding into *nix (centos, RHEL, Debian and Ubuntu)

rhel > centos

debian > buntu

dont read that syntactically. although. kinda is.
also, punch every cunt that runs ubuntu.

also, welcome to uptime.

[mashman]

Well, it is your logic.....

So I guess that does mean that both your and Katman's statements are correct......

No it isn't.

[mashman]

Not that I'm that into InfoWars, but this poses some very interesting questions about the Brexit and UBI.

[YellowDog]

Not that I'm that into InfoWars, but this poses some very interesting questions about the Brexit and UBI.

This is good, however is also complete lies and fabrication.

The laws and rules surrounding BREXIT, are not as thhe Krauts portray.

I wanted Greece to default on their loans and leave the EU also. They would struggle, but be EU90 billion better off.

[george formby]

I've been doing a fair bit of reading on the whole Brexit saga and decided that long term it's better to stay.

The most promoted reason for leaving is immigration, but it's a soft target. The leave brigade are banging on about losing jobs to economic migrants but I bet they still enjoy watching Auf Wiedersehn Pet. Economic migration is cyclical, people from poorer countries go where the money is. They are not necessarily permanent fixtures.

Apparently EU migrants in the UK account for 1 in 89 citizens, this has fluctuated a lot since the 70's. So if you apply that to NZ, by walking into a bar with 100 people in it, how many patrons would be on a working holiday visa and how many Kiwis?

Claims that migrants are costing the British tax payer for welfare and health care look unfounded, too. 1 in 49 people sat at the doctors surgery are migrants, it's a similar figure at the dole office. Migrants contribute significantly more than they take.

Figures of UK costs to Brussels are dwarfed by the money the EU puts into the UK.

The value of sterling is plummeting because recent poll's show a favoring for the leave campaign. Prices are already increasing and nobody has voted yet.

Thinking back to the Miners strike, to what ends will the UK government go to bring the country out of the recession which leaving would cause? And how long would it take?

And the thing that really swayed me. The UK can leave the EU at any time but to get back in would take the support of 27 member states.

Also if the UK decides to leave their are absolutely no guarantees of trade agreements, military support other than NATO obligations, joint anti terrorism intelligence or migratory control from the other side of the channel.

Quick caveat, when I say migrants I mean economic migrants, not refugees. The UK is steadfastly minimising their entry.

Oh, did I see mention of Scotland's economy, oil rigs, haggis, etc? Scotland makes a lot more money from tourists than NZ does. For a similar population the wee country does better than we do without having to add oil into the equation. That would go tits up if the UK leaves.

[YellowDog]

I've been doing a fair bit of reading on the whole Brexit saga and decided that long term it's better to stay.

The most promoted reason for leaving is immigration, but it's a soft target. The leave brigade are banging on about losing jobs to economic migrants but I bet they still enjoy watching Auf Wiedersehn Pet. Economic migration is cyclical, people from poorer countries go where the money is. They are not necessarily permanent fixtures.

Apparently EU migrants in the UK account for 1 in 89 citizens, this has fluctuated a lot since the 70's. So if you apply that to NZ, by walking into a bar with 100 people in it, how many patrons would be on a working holiday visa and how many Kiwis?

Claims that migrants are costing the British tax payer for welfare and health care look unfounded, too. 1 in 49 people sat at the doctors surgery are migrants, it's a similar figure at the dole office. Migrants contribute significantly more than they take.

Figures of UK costs to Brussels are dwarfed by the money the EU puts into the UK.

The value of sterling is plummeting because recent poll's show a favoring for the leave campaign. Prices are already increasing and nobody has voted yet.

Thinking back to the Miners strike, to what ends will the UK government go to bring the country out of the recession which leaving would cause? And how long would it take?

And the thing that really swayed me. The UK can leave the EU at any time but to get back in would take the support of 27 member states.

Also if the UK decides to leave their are absolutely no guarantees of trade agreements, military support other than NATO obligations, joint anti terrorism intelligence or migratory control from the other side of the channel.

Quick caveat, when I say migrants I mean economic migrants, not refugees. The UK is steadfastly minimising their entry.

Oh, did I see mention of Scotland's economy, oil rigs, haggis, etc? Scotland makes a lot more money from tourists than NZ does. For a similar population the wee country does better than we do without having to add oil into the equation. That would go tits up if the UK leaves.

By your own standards, that's a really poor post. Everything you have said is incorrect.

Lots have alrerady voted, including me, my son, & my wife.

Funny enough, I don't see immigration as the main issue.

From idealogical perspective, I am completely against the socialist federation thing; that is thhe EU. Brainless morons, many of whom have not ever done a days work in their lives, creating their own ideological policies they consider to be fair and eqitable, with zero understanding of what the impact will be on Northern, Southern, Eastern, & Western Europeans. It's tough enough getting is roughly right for one country (ask John Key).

Why don't we allow AUS to treat Australasia as a whole and include NZ in its urban and rural policies? The answer is quite easy to work out and then multiply the problem by 150 or whatever the population of Europe is.

The actual fact of the system is wholesale abuse and this is encouraged. Don't do what's right, or what's good, do what is easy and pays most. As far as your comment on migrants not being permanent fixtures, that's exactly the problem. They rape and piliage, sending every benefit they can, back home to their wives and kids. You are so far off track, with your comments, it's not funny. I do have friends whom now, after 30 odd years of regular income, now have to queue with the migrants to see if they will be working for half their price on the following week.

And as for Scotland, they were lucky they didn't vote for independance or they would now be completely screwed. Have you seen the price of oil and what they based their viable econoomy upon?

I would be happy to be persuaded otherwise, however all I see is scaremongering with illogical and irrational arguments that are meaningless and furthermore, not legal. The UK is protected under European law and also the Geneva convention. They are allowed to leave, without penalty or prejudice. Furthermore, the Europeans coulld not survive without continuing to trade with the UK. Imagine if the EU told Germany they could no longer trade with its biggest motor vehicle purchaser (the UK) - lol

The UK should leave, as there is close to zero benefit in staying. What's that shit about getting more out than it puts in? Absolute rubbish!

[mashman]

This is good, however is also complete lies and fabrication.

The laws and rules surrounding BREXIT, are not as thhe Krauts portray.

I wanted Greece to default on their loans and leave the EU also. They would struggle, but be EU90 billion better off.

You reckon you really know what's going on in regards to who holds power over whom and where? I don't, but I understand the nature of that beast. It's all protectionist bullshit ($) and as I've mentioned elsewhere, UBI is coming to finish the job. All is not what it seems and there are other games afoot that will decide the result.

I reckon Greece will have a UBI before the year is out on condition that it remains as a member of the EU. I'd be surprised if that wasn't the plan from the start. UBI is about as dangerous as things get and the economic conditions are ripe for the fucking. The same will be visited upon the UK when the EU sets terms for trade. The UK is fucked because it's an Island of 65 million peeps. How do you mitigate 65 million people going apeshit? Introduce a UBI... a cashless one.

Chicken little that all ya like, but the evidence is there.

Meh... I'll fight the fuckers til the end.

[YellowDog]

We'll fight them on the beaches ...........................

[mashman]

We'll fight them on the beaches ...........................

... I'll remember to wear my budgie smugglers then.

[george formby]

We'll fight them on the beaches ...........................

I've just been watching a doco on him. Spooky.

We're obviously reading things different or differently. I totally respect that you stand up for your views.

Either way, we shall see. I hope the outcome is for the best.

[Akzle]

... I'll remember to wear my budgie smugglers then.

that is a mental image i did not need