So what's the best super naked currently?

[Maha]

I am very much a Suzuki person and I thought a Suzuki GSX1000r with mods would be the go, but the initial reports on the Yamaha MT10 look really good. Bugger.

Maybe the inheritance won't stretch to the 1290 so a GSXR may have to do.

[nzspokes]

Maybe the inheritance won't stretch to the 1290 so a GSXR may have to do.

Oh I have decided what Im buying some time ago to go with the VTR.

[nzspokes]

I am very much a Suzuki person and I thought a Suzuki GSX1000r with mods would be the go, but the initial reports on the Yamaha MT10 look really good. Bugger.

Ive asked Yamaha when they are getting the MT10 and they have said they are keeping it under wraps.

Which is code for they have no idea.

[AllanB]

Ive asked Yamaha when they are getting the MT10 and they have said they are keeping it under wraps.

Which is code for they have no idea.

WOW - way to get sales Yamaha NZ ........


Me - I'd be telling them first shipment arrives in XX - there is limited stock and we are taking $1,000 deposits to secure one. The deposit is refundable if you don't buy after a test ride.


So - what have you decided on?

[Maha]

So - what have you decided on?

Bookies are offering 10/1 odds that it will nothing like what has been talked over thus far. The bridge between Dream and Reality is vast.

[nzspokes]

WOW - way to get sales Yamaha NZ ........


Me - I'd be telling them first shipment arrives in XX - there is limited stock and we are taking $1,000 deposits to secure one. The deposit is refundable if you don't buy after a test ride.


So - what have you decided on?

Yeah I dont get the Yamaha thing. just bizarre.

Tuono.

[Madness]

Tuono.

I've heard their side-stand springs have been found wanting on occasion.

[nzspokes]

I've heard their side-stand springs have been found wanting on occasion.

I will remove it for safety.

[Erelyes]

If anyone were to fighter a Gixxer, they'd be mad not to use the K5/6. That's the motor with the massive torque ramp in the middle of the rev range. And a wee tip, Suzuki New Zealand have shit loads of go fast bits for them.

The GSX-S is based on the K6 too.

This.

To be honest the 'factory' attempted 'fighters have been left wanting. CBR1000R for example... take a 170hp '07 Blade engine, 'retune' to 130bhp. Since when did 'tuning for torque' mean guillotining the top end?

[DMNTD:Me]

This.

To be honest the 'factory' attempted 'fighters have been left wanting. CBR1000R for example... take a 170hp '07 Blade engine, 'retune' to 130bhp. Since when did 'tuning for torque' mean guillotining the top end?

I dunno, I've enjoyed my Superduke(s), Brutale, Tuono APRC and you could even argue that my old Diavel was a naked cruiser thingy

[AllanB]

I dunno, I've enjoyed my Superduke(s), Brutale, Tuono APRC and you could even argue that my old Diavel was a naked cruiser thingy

Euro's get the naked thing - full snot without the plastic, the Japanese makers 'retune' (one cannot say detune as the marketign team will not permit it) their full snot engines for nakeds.

HOWEVER

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.


Tuono - good choice. Also check out the used market. They drop in value quite rapidly and a very low km, just within warranty ride may be picked up at Suzuki pricing.

[Drew]

Tuono - good choice. Also check out the used market. They drop in value quite rapidly and a very low km, just within warranty ride may be picked up at Suzuki pricing.

I've given a V4 Tuono a couple of thrashings. Initially I loved everything except the wheelie control. After riding it another two times, I was more critical. The quickshifter isn't quick enough, needs the sensitivity turned down so the lever is loaded more before the ignition cuts.

The front end is hard to load up (which could be down to suspension settings, but I expected better since these forks are Robert Taylor fettled), and so it's hard to pick a line and nail it.

What a fucken motor though!

[george formby]

I've given a V4 Tuono a couple of thrashings. Initially I loved everything except the wheelie control. After riding it another two times, I was more critical. The quickshifter isn't quick enough, needs the sensitivity turned down so the lever is loaded more before the ignition cuts.

The front end is hard to load up (which could be down to suspension settings, but I expected better since these forks are Robert Taylor fettled), and so it's hard to pick a line and nail it.

What a fucken motor though!

That's interesting. One of the things I remember about earlier Tuono's was how good the front end felt, like holding the front wheel spindle with your hands. It gave me huge confidence, felt like a big Supermoto.

[Ocean1]

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

[AllanB]

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

I don't disagree. I test rode a very low km 1090 Streetfighter before the 848 and it was too mental for my riding. 848 is nuts enough for me BUT still has a f-me factor that is often missing when they detune a IL4. Either keep the burst of love or make the bike so friggen torque ripe that it makes a HD look like a starter motor.