My first poll for the NZ public

[TheDemonLord]

They choose to go to receive the food. I don't think they care what it is, given that they're hungry, else I'm sure they'd go somewhere else.

I'm glad that you said that, so under an RBE - I'd have the choice of taking what I was given by the politburo/glorious leader or starving.

Which is what I've been saying all this time: personal choice would be removed in an RBE and it's communism MK2.0

I have considered that.

Quite.

I just told you it was mine.

Ah yes - the Conspiricists favorite form of proof: listen and believe....

[mashman]

I'm glad that you said that, so under an RBE - I'd have the choice of taking what I was given by the politburo/glorious leader or starving.

Which is what I've been saying all this time: personal choice would be removed in an RBE and it's communism MK2.0

Apples and Oranges again?

Still with the beating of the reds under the bed drum eh. Awwwwww pet lamb.

[mashman]

Maybe she can explain then.

She understood it enough to be able to answer the question that you and TDL can't. Want me to ask my 10yr old or perhaps we'll make it a fair fight and I'll ask my 8 yr old?

[mashman]

I have 10 marbles , all the marbles on the planet ,,,,I lend them to you at 10% interest ..... you must give me 11 marbles back ....

Here's the answer to your riddle - which as you present looks superficially like a Catch 22, and for the purposes of my Answer - I'll assume that only you and I exist and I'll solve it with no extra Marbles created:

If we extend the Metaphor to the Banking system (as it exists) then the Banks create the 11th Marble in recognition of the increased net wealth

So you need a third party i.e. the banks, to create the 11th marble? But there's only 10 marbles on the planet. The banks can't create anything other than the perception of an 11th marble. Quite simply, you took on a bad loan TDL, and even worse... you did so in the hope that some bank would save you in the future, despite you saying that you would return the 11th marble weithout the need for any third party. You knew you were never going to pay it back, but took the loan anyway? So you're a liar and a cheat.

[Akzle]

She understood it enough to be able to answer the question that you and TDL can't. Want me to ask my 10yr old or perhaps we'll make it a fair fight and I'll ask my 8 yr old?

i could ask my neighbours 4 year old. He eats crayons. Prefers the red ones.
I dont know what he does with the blue ones but they disappear too.
Pretty sure he comprehends that 10=10.

[Brian d marge]

But I can create/provide something to the equivalent value of 1 coin from nothing.

Your example only holds true if you ignore that part.

Either you don't fully understand or the more likely reason - you are deliberately misrepresenting it to bolster your argument

No im just stating fact
So u now are trying to give me labour or a sweetie to repay that 11th marble
That's called debt

This is the absolute basics of our economy
When ya finally click ..you will be able to see the bullshyt those on TV spout
Good luck

sent for a divine source

[Jin]

You are comparing marbles to the financial system. Thats a good indication you are confused and gullible.

If you want I can point you in the right direction to objective explanations of fractional reserve banking. And you claim to understand the price system? Please. Heres a hint. Interest is a key component of the price system.

Anyway the question still remains. You claim to understand resources in a (relatively) free market are allocated and distributed under the price system. If you remove the price system how are resources then allocated?

[Ocean1]

But I can create/provide something to the equivalent value of 1 coin from nothing.

Your example only holds true if you ignore that part.

Either you don't fully understand or the more likely reason - you are deliberately misrepresenting it to bolster your argument

The reason this particular group of lunatics are desperate to believe that money is pulled from some fairy bankers arsehole and doesn't actually represent anything worthwhile is that admiting that wealth can actually be manufactured means that they are indeed personally responsible for their own prosperity.

And if they only believe hard enough then their lack of success is someone else's fault.

Pathetic, I know, but that's the reason for all of the bizarre tantrums and irrelevant answers to simple questions.

[Brian d marge]

You are comparing marbles to the financial system. Thats a good indication you are confused and gullible.

If you want I can point you in the right direction to objective explanations of fractional reserve banking. And you claim to understand the price system? Please. Heres a hint. Interest is a key component of the price system.

Anyway the question still remains. You claim to understand resources in a (relatively) free market are allocated and distributed under the price system. If you remove the price system how are resources then allocated?

Yes please do explain ....

Economics is very simple ....tis why I understand how it works

And who , why and how

But I'm interested in your take on it

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

The reason this particular group of lunatics are desperate to believe that money is pulled from some fairy bankers arsehole and doesn't actually represent anything worthwhile is that admiting that wealth can actually be manufactured means that they are indeed personally responsible for their own prosperity.

And if they only believe hard enough then their lack of success is someone else's fault.

Pathetic, I know, but that's the reason for all of the bizarre tantrums and irrelevant answers to simple questions.

I have all the trappings of a modern society
Brand new car , bikes house etc

Is that success???

And still what amazes me is u still can't grasp where currency ..not money comes from

It's was even shown on sharp 7 for the masses surely at that point the penny would have dropped

I'm kinda guessing it didn't....


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[TheDemonLord]

Apples and Oranges again?

Still with the beating of the reds under the bed drum eh. Awwwwww pet lamb.

Communism to RBE in a few Easy Steps:

(note - yes I'm using Wikipedia, but since I know you will ignore it, there is no point in using anything more authoritative.)

And I'll be doing this in reverse (as its easier to spot that way)

Step 1: Communism

And our first clue:

communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.[5][6]

NOW - where does that ring a bell...

Step 2: Marxism & Leninism

And our second clue:

Marx explained that in a society immediately after the revolution, distribution must be based on the contribution of the individual, whereas in the upper stage of communism the from each according to his ability, to each according to his need concept would be applied

NOW - I'm sure I've heard something like that somewhere...

Step 3: Each According to his Needs

Our third clue:

The principle refers to free access and distribution of goods, capital and services.[4] In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist system will produce; the idea is that, with the full development of socialism and unfettered productive forces, there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.

NOW - this is really sounding familiar

Could it Be?

We NOW have a free workforce and free resources.

Step 4: Sounding more and more like an RBE

Our fourth Clue:

Post-scarcity is a theoretical economy in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor needed, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely

NOW - note how that article ties in with Marxism, and it ties in with...

The Zeitgeist Movement

Our final Clue.

advocates a transformation of society and its economic system to a non monetary system based on resource allocation and environmentalism.

All of these things have a common thread (apart from the fact they won't work without something akin to Star Trek's replicator technology and a major societal shift) - With each one being an Evolution of the other - Its more like comparing Oranges and Mandarins, its also why it's communism Mk2.0

Edit: I'm going to throw a bone here and say that if we did create something like a Replicator - where there was no loss of opportunity between replicating an Eye Filet or Sirloin, a Hayabusa or a Harley - then at that point an RBE would potentially be viable, there would probably need to be a couple of centuries of Cultural and societal shifts before it could work, but it would be Viable.

3D printers could at a Micro scale be a start to achieving a partial RBE, but the technology would have to mature quite a bit.

It wouldn't be the Silver Bullet to all of Humanities issues, there would still be corruption and other such issues and successful people would still be successful, Envious people would still be envious.

[TheDemonLord]

So you need a third party i.e. the banks, to create the 11th marble? But there's only 10 marbles on the planet. The banks can't create anything other than the perception of an 11th marble. Quite simply, you took on a bad loan TDL, and even worse... you did so in the hope that some bank would save you in the future, despite you saying that you would return the 11th marble weithout the need for any third party. You knew you were never going to pay it back, but took the loan anyway? So you're a liar and a cheat.

I love the out of Context Quote Mining and the part where you conveniently choose not to quote the actual answer the riddle - Tsk Tsk, I genuinely didn't think you would stoop that low.

Did I take on a Bad loan? I was able to pay it back, with interest, using my Skills and Agency. Sure - its a Gamble - but life is a Gamble.

There was no 3rd Party, I provided services directly to Brian and charged him for them. I merely extended the metaphor to show that when Banks create money (something you are so often fond of telling us) it is because something of value has been created, its also why German Inflation is a bad thing - if you just increase the money supply without creating things of value, you just devalue the currency.

[TheDemonLord]

i could ask my neighbours 4 year old. He eats crayons. Prefers the red ones.
I dont know what he does with the blue ones but they disappear too.
Pretty sure he comprehends that 10=10.

Thats nice - they are going to shit the bed when they try and get their head around concepts like Pi, e and i.

[TheDemonLord]

No im just stating fact
So u now are trying to give me labour or a sweetie to repay that 11th marble
That's called debt

Not Give, You are the one that required services I am able to provide, and using those skills and agency I was able to pay my Debt.

This is the absolute basics of our economy
When ya finally click ..you will be able to see the bullshyt those on TV spout
Good luck

sent for a divine source

I don't watch TV, and yes I understand the basics of our economy - it's why I was able to answer your supposed impossible riddle with Money Velocity and The generation of Wealth.

[TheDemonLord]

She understood it enough to be able to answer the question that you and TDL can't. Want me to ask my 10yr old or perhaps we'll make it a fair fight and I'll ask my 8 yr old?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-parkway-bible

Its funny how similar the Tenants of Faith sound.