My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

Because lazy fucks...

So you think the working population would put up with those that did sweet fa?

So you want force to be used to stop people from getting things that you don't think they've "earned"?

They do at the moment. Perhaps they'll be smart enough to understand that the money they give to feed, cloth etc... the "lazy fucks" isn't going to other more essential activities... and then they'll realise that not having money will allow the "lazy fucks" to get what they were going to get anyway, as well as, not instead of like in the current financial economy, that they will also get the essential services as there is no budget constraint to prevent those essential services from being implemented. In other words, win win.

Then again, you'd need the "lazy fuck" thinkers to understand that they're actually gonna gain from removing money. Logic, reason and common sense. Although they may just remain pious cunts and bite their noses off to spite their own faces. Simple choice really.

[Katman]

Because lazy fucks...


So you think the working population would put up with those that did sweet fa?

Well the way I see it is that there are no handouts in the RBE system.

An individual who didn't contribute would very quickly be ostricised to the point that they were forced to either conform to the idea of combined conscience or starve.

(I may be wrong - I'm not an RBE scholar).

[mashman]

Well the way I see it is that there are no handouts in the RBE system.

An individual who didn't contribute would very quickly be ostricised to the point that they were forced to either conform to the idea of combined conscience or starve.

(I may be wrong - I'm not an RBE scholar).

Aye, no need for handouts as everything's free.

Not necessarily true. Yup "freeloaders" will be easier to spot, but they'll also be able to travel wherever they like and therefore being ostracised won't have the impact desired. Fortunately the education system and surrounding social system of an RBE will have instilled better values in the younger members of society.

Simply accept that some people won't work. In fact consider that 10/20 years down the track automation will be such that there'll barely be any manual jobs left. The financial economy wants to solve that with a UBI. You know, Communism.

(not wrong, just a lack of thought in regards to how easy it will be to do nothing and not get caught lol)

[Brian d marge]

It's your claim, you do a fucking search, I'm sick of your vacuous bullshit.

Vacuous as in without substance .....


Originally Posted by Ocean1 What limits resource availability is the production of resources. Work. Effort. Negative entropy. Unless someone produces it it don't exist. Money is simply the unit of measuring negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society. 17th December 2014, 16:19 post number 4592 of stupid world

now would you like to continue and bluster and blow some more.....?


hint..... cut and paste only works when you know what you are talking about .........

[Katman]

Interesting Choice - Did he not Excel in the Sport? Even at a time when everyone was cheating (so by extension, it was a Pseudo-level playing field)

Have you not managed to figure out yet that while competition may well result in excellence it can just as easily result in corruption?

[Brian d marge]

Thanks.

First come first served. For those who don't get the cuts they want, tough shit. Exactly the same as your restaurant example. If there's no steak, there's no steak no matter how much money you have.

Did I not say in a previous post that under both systems one cow someone will miss out,??

Though when using scarcity and money ... one giving up the steak has little choice ..unless they get more money than the other . Me me me

In the other system one chooses to give up me steak ... for you you you

Now one wonders which one is the better system






sent for a divine source

[Akzle]

Because lazy fucks...


So you think the working population would put up with those that did sweet fa?

because the current system would never take off all the working population and give it to those who do sweet fuc//

o. Wait on...

[Ocean1]

Negative entropy. And it's a better definition than any you've ever dreamed up.

Says u who has demonstrated his lack of knowledge of entropy

And did I use the term negative entropy...or are u making things up again

And no, I did. And if you'd actually checked you'd have found that I'm far from the first to use physical laws to define economic phenomena.
http://www.springer.com/gp/book/9781441993649

https://www.amazon.com/Entropy-Law-E...onomic+Process

And i still see you are trotting out that same old web site we proved wrong ... how many years

I've never posted either of those links before.

Yes u have
do a search on kb I think in stupid world thread

It's your claim, you do a fucking search, I'm sick of your vacuous bullshit.

Originally Posted by Ocean1 What limits resource availability is the production of resources. Work. Effort. Negative entropy. Unless someone produces it it don't exist. Money is simply the unit of measuring negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society. 17th December 2014, 16:19 post number 4592 of stupid world

now would you like to continue and bluster and blow some more.....?


hint..... cut and paste only works when you know what you are talking about .........

So it does.

So where the fuck are those links you claim I’ve posted before?

Actually, don’t bother, you’ve just demonstrated you’re not actually capable of following your own instructions let alone conduct any sort of coherent discourse.

[Woodman]

because the current system would never take off all the working population and give it to those who do sweet fuc//

o. Wait on...

Yeah but the money/tax system seperates us out from that. With mashmans system that will be reversed people that will seem to live the high life will be the ones who choose to live like that because they do fuck all. The work/reward system would be all ass about face.

[Ocean1]

So you want force to be used to stop people from getting things that you don't think they've "earned"?

I rather suspect that like most people he'd like force used to stop other people getting things HE's earned.

In spite of which, like most people he probably gives about a third of HIS earnings to other people.

[mashman]

Did I not say in a previous post that under both systems one cow someone will miss out,??

Though when using scarcity and money ... one giving up the steak has little choice ..unless they get more money than the other . Me me me

In the other system one chooses to give up me steak ... for you you you

Now one wonders which one is the better system

sent for a divine source

Indeedy you did, repeatedly, and with great clarity. Option 3... if it were I that had a steak... I'd have it cut in half and share it with someone who otherwise wouldn't have gotten any. There's usually more than enough so long as you're not a greedy arsehole i.e. no you, no me, just us.

[mashman]

I rather suspect that like most people he'd like force used to stop other people getting things HE's earned.

In spite of which, like most people he probably gives about a third of HIS earnings to other people.

Sounds like Communism to me.

[Ocean1]

Sounds like Communism to me.

No, no, communism is where someone else takes everything you've earned and gives it to everyone else.

At least, bad as it is that's what it says on the packet.

In practice communism takes everything everyone earns and gives it to nobody.

[mashman]

Yeah but the money/tax system seperates us out from that. With mashmans system that will be reversed people that will seem to live the high life will be the ones who choose to live like that because they do fuck all. The work/reward system would be all ass about face.

Not quite correct. The reward will have changed. If we don't work, yes I include me coming out of retirement, then none of us get anything because no one will produce anything. I'd love to know how people not working will be able to live much more of a high life than they already do? What are you going to lose? or is it just the principle of the thing and to hell with the consequences of what that system produces as outcomes? ya know, why would you prefer to cut your, and everyone else in the country's, nose off to spite your, our, face? I have an insult prepared and I want to use it

[mashman]

No, no, communism is where someone else takes everything you've earned and gives it to everyone else.

At least, bad as it is that's what it says on the packet.

In practice communism takes everything everyone earns and gives it to nobody.

Sounds like the taxation system. Yup, Communism.

I understand Communism fine thanks. Gunpoint never suited, so I went for RBE instead which gives rise to open source economics and completely free markets. Something I know you'd like to see, but you want it to work using money, and by the sounds of things guns too