Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Drew]

It's a VISA card?

No. Those work.

[Katman]

So the first source for the bold claim is just a letter that cites another book as its source, and the link to the excerpt in the book has no mention of Marica Angell.

Failed at the First hurdle.

You really struggle with English, don't you?

The first 'source' link takes you to an article on the National Center for Biotechnology site which mentions the quote attributed to Marica Angell and then goes on to provide the source of the quote as Marica Angell's book.

[TheDemonLord]

You really struggle with English, don't you?

The first 'source' link takes you to an article on the National Center for Biotechnology site which mentions the quote attributed to Marica Angell and then goes on to provide the source of the quote as Marica Angell's book.

Is it? Look again.

You will no doubt call me pedantic and splitting hairs (because that is exactly what I'm doing) But the lady is Marcia Angell - If they can't be bothered to get the persons name right (and it took me all of 5 seconds) then how can I trust anything they say? Especially when the Quotation is pivotal to their entire Article - if they are that sloppy and half-arsed about the leading quote of their article, then how much more careless are they going to be in the body?

[Katman]

If they can't be bothered to get the persons name right (and it took me all of 5 seconds) then how can I trust anything they say?

Well instead of trusting what the author of the article says (simply because they made a spelling mistake) perhaps you could just trust what Marcia Angell says.

Or should we disregard everything you ever say simply because you don't know the rules regarding the use of capital letters?

[TheDemonLord]

Well instead of trusting what the author of the article says (simply because they made a spelling mistake) perhaps you could just trust what Marcia Angell says.

Well, I might do that - I noticed she had some interesting views.

Or should we disregard everything you ever say simply because you don't know the rules regarding the use of capital letters?

Wait, are you saying that you don't?

[Katman]

Well, I might do that - I noticed she had some interesting views.

So why do you think she might have become so disillusioned about the medical/scientific/pharmaceutical establishment?

[TheDemonLord]

So why do you think she might have become so disillusioned about the medical/scientific/pharmaceutical establishment?

Dunno yet - Haven't read up on what she has to say, I'll let you know when I have.

[Katman]

Dunno yet - Haven't read up on what she has to say, I'll let you know when I have.

Please don't just come back with "well she's clearly just a conspiracy theorist".

[TheDemonLord]

Please don't just come back with "well she's clearly just a conspiracy theorist".

Thus Far, its an interesting read - I don't agree with some of her points (Efficiency of Public vs Private enterprise), Others I very much agree with (her stance on alternative Medicine for example).

But I haven't read enough yet to fully form an opinion.

[Katman]

Thus Far, its an interesting read - I don't agree with some of her points (Efficiency of Public vs Private enterprise), Others I very much agree with (her stance on alternative Medicine for example).

Bearing in mind, of course, that she doesn't dismiss alternative medicine out of hand.

[TheDemonLord]

Bearing in mind, of course, that she doesn't dismiss alternative medicine out of hand.

From where I am up to, she does and she doesn't

She has echoed my sentiments that it should be tested by Science and if validated by Science, should be considered good ol' Medicine. She also says though that there should be no such thing as Alternative Medicine (which is somewhat dismissive out of hand).

[Katman]

From where I am up to, she does and she doesn't

She has echoed my sentiments that it should be tested by Science and if validated by Science, should be considered good ol' Medicine. She also says though that there should be no such thing as Alternative Medicine (which is somewhat dismissive out of hand).

She dismisses alternative medicine when it comes to serious illness (cancer, AIDS etc) but is certainly not adverse to the idea of alternative therapies to enhance good health.

[YellowDog]

OMG - Too much to read here.

My view on vaccination is that society should exclude those whom refuse to come to the party. Kids die every year and you see the grieving partents saying, "we should have had our child vaccinated", after it has died from an, supposedly irradicated, deasease, such as Whooping Cough. Very sad and those spreading misinformation about the risks are contributing towards such unnecssary deaths.

New Zealand has serious epedemics every year, as a direct result of those "we don't believe in vaccinations" people. I know this because my wife works for Healthline and they are advised of such issues, as and when they occur, so she can advise callers accordingly.

Anyone whom is able to understand the facts and actual risks would have to be pretty dumb not to accinate their kids.

There is a great deal of evidence to support significant changes to the way in which vaccinations are managed and the super duper cost saving MMR is too much for some kids to take, without impact on their welbeing. My view is that, if the nay sayers were to focus on the facts, rather than willfully endangering the lives of their children, our country would be safer for everyone.

[Katman]

There is a great deal of evidence to support significant changes to the way in which vaccinations are managed and the super duper cost saving MMR is too much for some kids to take, without impact on their welbeing.

Just so I can't be accused of mis-interpreting your post could you expand on that sentence a little please?

Are you saying that the MMR vaccine can pose a risk to a child's well-being but they should be given it regardless?

And are you then suggesting that they should be given the MMR vaccine in preference to the previous three separate injections given over a period of time (which doesn't seem to have posed as great a risk) simply because the MMR version is a super duper cost saver?

[YellowDog]

Just so I can't be accused of mis-interpreting your post could you expand on that sentence a little please?

Are you saying that the MMR vaccine can pose a risk to a child's well-being but they should be given it regardless?

And are you then suggesting that they should be given the MMR vaccine in preference to the previous three separate injections given over a period of time (which doesn't seem to have posed as great a risk) simply because the MMR version is a super duper cost saver?

There are many aspects to this debate, including more advanced vaccines, however I am agreeing with your last interpretation: that the previous three separate injections, given over a period of time, would be preferrable. You know, like those in the know or with lots of cash, tend to go for. The Americans have done a lot of good work in this respect.

I have two kids on the autistic spectrum. I'm not blaming MMR or anything else. There were autistic kids around in the 60s, when I went to school. Lots of them and that was pre MMR. We didn't label them in those days or treat them like they were made of glass. They usually learnt to change their behaviour, from their regular beatings. And I don't just mean the teachers.

My kids both have photographic memories and could tell the time comprehensively, since they were 3 years old.

"Hey Harry, shall we do some drawing?"
3 year old Harry responds, in an overly loud shouting voice, "Don't be silly, it's 11:52. In 8 minutes, it will be lunch time. There's no time to do drawing - Fatty!"

Teacher to parents: "Can your son tell them time?"
Me: "yes, on the 12 hour clock, the 24 hour clock, annalogue and Chronograph"
Teacher: "Your son called me Fatty"
Me: "It's home time Harry, get you bag."

Lots of positives, but also so many tough issues to contend with. Have been on many courses on how to effectively cope with behavioural abnormalities. Met lots of shit parents, with normal kids just seeking attention.

Of course others would argue that MMR is just a mind controlliing drug to make you see the UN's world governance politics as a positve way forward