MotoGP 2016

[pritch]

I don't understand the sour attitude to the Moto2 racing. Sure, Dorna wanted more power, but Honda didn't want the engines blowing up. Sadly the much hoped for innovation never eventuated. The main problem now is that Moto2 isn't a natural stepping stone between Moto3 and MotoGP. It's a blind alley, but it's what we have, so until it changes it'll have to do. Gives me something to do between Moto3 and the main event.

[Mental Trousers]

I get annoyed with people who trash Moto2 or WSBK or whatever cos it's not what they want. It's still bike racing and I love bike racing.

I watch all of the Moto2 races as well as MotoGP and Moto3. Some races are dull but others are awesome, same as the other classes.

However, with Moto2 I've been very disappointed that we haven't seen alsorts of different chassis, particularly front ends. Telescopic forks give me the shits. But anyone putting in the time, effort and money to develop something else to the point it can take on the established beam frame + telescopic forks is going to be losing for a long time. Not just that but there's lots of dead ends and pit falls to developing new stuff. The Elf bikes never lived up to the promise and, unfortunately, that soured things for a lot of others thinking of trying something different.

[Drew]

I get annoyed with people who trash Moto2 or WSBK or whatever cos it's not what they want. It's still bike racing and I love bike racing.

I watch all of the Moto2 races as well as MotoGP and Moto3. Some races are dull but others are awesome, same as the other classes.

However, with Moto2 I've been very disappointed that we haven't seen alsorts of different chassis, particularly front ends. Telescopic forks give me the shits. But anyone putting in the time, effort and money to develop something else to the point it can take on the established beam frame + telescopic forks is going to be losing for a long time. Not just that but there's lots of dead ends and pit falls to developing new stuff. The Elf bikes never lived up to the promise and, unfortunately, that soured things for a lot of others thinking of trying something different.

Why should any manufacturer try to develop something that hasn't ever been made to work though?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I get annoyed with people who trash Moto2 or WSBK or whatever cos it's not what they want. It's still bike racing and I love bike racing.

I watch all of the Moto2 races as well as MotoGP and Moto3. Some races are dull but others are awesome, same as the other classes.

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So just because you like it, we all have to? I like most forms of motorcycle racing, but find Moto 2 shit. I also don't really care for drag racing. Superbikes I used to follow when Slighty and Crafar were involved, doesn't really interest me know. What's wrong with that? When the 250's were in action, they were one of my favs. So what. We all like or dislike what we do. Why get annoyed by others choices?

[Oscar]

So just because you like it, we all have to? I like most forms of motorcycle racing, but find Moto 2 shit. I also don't really care for drag racing. Superbikes I used to follow when Slighty and Crafar were involved, doesn't really interest me know. What's wrong with that? When the 250's were in action, they were one of my favs. So what. We all like or dislike what we do. Why get annoyed by others choices?

I think you're both singing the same song.
I also don't like SBK, and I don't always watch Moto2 (and I fucking HATE what F1 has become), but I don't go out of my way to bag either formula.

Moto2 is a flawed concept, a contrived middle child which needed to run to a price.
The paddock couldn't afford another prototype class.

The options discussed (amongst others) were injected two strokes and a class based on the Aprilia 550 V-Twin motor, but without factory support these wouldn't fly.

[James Deuce]

Run the Red Bull Cup as Moto3, run prototype 500cc twins as Moto2 (will still be faster than the 600s), and leave the current MotoGP class as the premier.

Would better match the market and allow manufacturer participation where it matters, with a cheaper entry level class.

I'm sour about Moto2 because it's boring and I have no idea what I'm looking at. You also see guys who went pretty OK in MotoGP floundering around at the back of the field if they pick a team who doesn't run the only chassis that works.

[Crasherfromwayback]

a class based on the Aprilia 550 V-Twin motor, but without factory support these wouldn't fly.

That thing is a fucking hand grenade.

[Oscar]

Run the Red Bull Cup as Moto3, run prototype 500cc twins as Moto2 (will still be faster than the 600s), and leave the current MotoGP class as the premier.

Would better match the market and allow manufacturer participation where it matters, with a cheaper entry level class.

I'm sour about Moto2 because it's boring and I have no idea what I'm looking at. You also see guys who went pretty OK in MotoGP floundering around at the back of the field if they pick a team who doesn't run the only chassis that works.

Who pays for the prototypes?
The factories have no interest in funding a smaller prototype class.

It is interesting in forums like this that two strong topics are "Moto2 is shit" and "how do I get MotoGP coverage for little or nothing".

[James Deuce]

Who pays for the prototypes?
The factories have no interest in funding a smaller prototype class.

It is interesting in forums like this that two strong topics are "Moto2 is shit" and "how do I get MotoGP coverage for little or nothing".

Fine. Don't run them. Something isn't better than nothing when a vocal portion of the target market is going "Moto2 is shit". I used to watch the 250s in preference to the 500s. I wasn't alone. The racing was better and they were a poofteenth behind the 500s on actual lap times whihc made them a useful stepping stone to the top level.

[Drew]

That thing is a fucking hand grenade.

That's my understanding too.

Plus, twins are fucken poo. 848 Ducati lump is prolly even par with the current Moto2 bikes, but I doubt they could get the same reliability.

Who pays for the prototypes?
The factories have no interest in funding a smaller prototype class.

It is interesting in forums like this that two strong topics are "Moto2 is shit" and "how do I get MotoGP coverage for little or nothing".

Interesting how? When the racing is happening, it's more talked about than anything else on here.

[Oscar]

Interesting how? When the racing is happening, it's more talked about than anything else on here.

It was my clumsy way of saying that some of the people who complain about Moto2 are the same ones who complain about paying for coverage.

[Oscar]

Fine. Don't run them. Something isn't better than nothing when a vocal portion of the target market is going "Moto2 is shit". I used to watch the 250s in preference to the 500s. I wasn't alone. The racing was better and they were a poofteenth behind the 500s on actual lap times whihc made them a useful stepping stone to the top level.

I don't like Moto2.
You don't like Moto2.
That makes two us (maybe three with Crasher).

I don't think we're in the majority.

[Drew]

It was my clumsy way of saying that some of the people who complain about Moto2 are the same ones who complain about paying for coverage.

Moto2 is crap. I have sky sport for no other reason than MotoGP.

[ellipsis]

...I can see the point of Moto2, but I can't feel the 'thing' that makes me want to watch it for more than three to five laps...I have tried...

[Drew]

...I can see the point of Moto2, but I can't feel the 'thing' that makes me want to watch it for more than three to five laps...I have tried...

It's not a grand prix class, but the over regulation of the other two classes is making them less so as well.