Honda Fireblade - do I have water in the tank?

[IronPawz]

I had to replace the pump and remove a lot of rust from a mate's blade tank. That's why I'm betting the fish.

Just gassed myself looking in the tank with a torch. From what I can see there is no rust at all. Looks like new in there. But I can only see some parts. Godz how to people huff petrol! I like the smell but a few seconds in there is more than enough!

[IronPawz]

Meths in the tank might work for a tiny amount of water (maybe up to a teaspoons worth) but if you've got a significant amount in there you're wasting your time with meths.

OK that is a lot of thumbs for some meths so I'll put a bit in with the next tank tomorrow. A cup in a tank seems the formula. It does seem to have cleared and I did get gas (when I think about it) in some places I don't generally so a little will not hurt. Perhaps I should run a cup through every few months given the KMs I do just to keep it clear? Is it in any way bad for the bike to do a little before it builds up? Or given it sinks would you not expect it to build up?

[IronPawz]

Fair call. Bit shit on a late model ride though. Mind modern tanks often have low points that the fuel pump does not collect from so water could naturally settle there.

right that is what I was thinking. I bet its at a level and when it goes over, or a bit of spirited riding at times sloshes it up. That's it I'm giving it some meths though it does seem to have cleared.

[IronPawz]

as per earlier reply check the charge voltage, all the symptoms you have described can be caused by under or over voltage and 53000 km is about right for the reg rec to give up. Also the fact that the headlight has blown i would be checking this first to rule it out as a high charge voltage usually takes the headlight bulb out first. There is limited overvoltage protection for the ecu in this model so it would pay to check.

I'm a twat for adding details this far in but I've noted at times the idle seems less consistent (not always and goes back further than this recent issue which did not occur at all today). Just it used to be perrrfect and not sometimes I note it is a little up and down.

Crap I might just pussy out and take it to the shop (excuse for day off and ride to P/N). Last time they didnt have back break pads in and it needs some also, they where going to fit them for free given unusually not in stock. They can check the rec there. I do have a volt meter so might have a wee look tomorrow if I get ready early for a change.

[nzspokes]

Would that stop happening at times? If it is something loose I can see it would do that. It gets two one hour rides five days a week. It kind of got worse for a bit, then it was badish for a day (especially when it got on an actual angle for a change) and not it seems fine (been riding on high beam until I fit new light).

It can be bouncing the charge all over the place.

[actungbaby]

Meths in the tank might work for a tiny amount of water (maybe up to a teaspoons worth) but if you've got a significant amount in there you're wasting your time with meths.

Plus your got drain though muslin cloth so you wont go blind ;-) i think that bs by the way not that tryed .

I know got some in my mouth petrol dam is it nasty yuk wont be trying that again

[actungbaby]

That is a bloody nice offer thanks a lot. I think, thinking about it I got some gas from a different place a few times in there (newlands when running really low coming out of town) and used their 95 verses my normal 98. I wonder if they just have water in their gas. If it doesnt come back I'll say it has cleared otherwise I might do. Nice one. Yeah I like City Honda they are miles better than motormart (no comparison at all).

Thats great to hear mate yeah nice people all right yes the petrol stations get they tanks checked seen guy comes along got this

Like messuring stick and can get water out somehow quite trick asked him but went cross eyed when he explained .

Girl from garage was checking it the other day . i dont think of any concern keep it checked.

The old old school garages have steel tanks and after 20 years or so dig them up replace them cause rust on outside .

When built garage at pns they have like fibre glass or such like tanks know am guessing alot less condesation from cold steel

tanks in winter. your blade be sweet bike all that hot running way better than stop start city riding only few kms

Ever litre petrol so much water vapour gets produced and if like me just ride to shops it can sit in the muffler

dont know if you notiched cars water driping on road in winter hard case also see vapour when its winter.till exhust is hot enough.

[actungbaby]

I'm a twat for adding details this far in but I've noted at times the idle seems less consistent (not always and goes back further than this recent issue which did not occur at all today). Just it used to be perrrfect and not sometimes I note it is a little up and down.

Crap I might just pussy out and take it to the shop (excuse for day off and ride to P/N). Last time they didnt have back break pads in and it needs some also, they where going to fit them for free given unusually not in stock. They can check the rec there. I do have a volt meter so might have a wee look tomorrow if I get ready early for a change.

I think they put you right buddy you can get non oem of ebay cheap as chips not sure what honda ones cost. i replaced two on my vfr and 900rr

standred one didint have heat fins on from memory where they sit on outside rear sub frame on my 90,s bike tucked under

by the seat so get cooled from air flowing through. 90,s honda know for it at 50 k mark not sure modern ones.

to me friendly attitude is everthing always gone to those honda dealers . actually seen guy that was parts guy at co op honda way back in 80,s

In pammy at local fish n chip shop was nice to think still kicking around he gave me a nod and thought shit still remembered me i must look accent. lol

[Banditbandit]

Iso propyl alcohol will get rid of any amount of water.

Where do you get Iso-prop from? How much can you get? Can you get us a 44 gallon drum? How much?

[IronPawz]

I'm starting to like crapping on here its a bloody funny place full of bike loving nutters. So bike has been running fine. I brought some meths today and with about 2 liters in the tank I put two cap fulls in and rocked it about then filled it up and rode off. It did splutter for a second after about 30 seconds and once more after a spirited lean for a moment (not really before in 3 hours of riding or since in about 45 minutes). So unless it keeps turning up I am calling to water and leaving the electrics alone unless it keeps on.

So question is a couple of cap fulls of meths (I can imagine the key word sweeps getting excited so I am throwing in precursor and amphetamine at no extra cost) good in this way. The comment about tanks not fully getting empty makes sense, you get on a lean and that little pipe now tips over and picks up that low water below empty (I never generally get below 1 liter left). Clearly if it is water some has gone through so it is the below the pickup level if any is left.

Or is it I should put like a cup full in on a full tank? Once a month as suggest (this makes sense). Is meths in any way back for a modern bike?

I see there is a new blade coming out soon... Probably not have the Kat sorted this side of more personal time so I might solve all issues that way. Still that is 2017 and it is covered in electrics (yuk I don't even have ABS I'd rather have to ride it myself) https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...irmed-for-2017

Electric everything, sounds shirt.

[Bass]

Where do you get Iso-prop from? How much can you get? Can you get us a 44 gallon drum? How much?

You want it on a plate, don't you?

The place I work uses large amounts as a "spray everywhere and it evaporates" antiseptic for places that are hard to clean. We usually have 2 or 3 x 200 liter drums of the stuff. I will find out how much and from where and get back to you.

There may be restrictions on it as i think it's popular with P labs - you don't have a profitable sideline going do you?

[hayd3n]

I'm starting to like crapping on here its a bloody funny place full of bike loving nutters. So bike has been running fine. I brought some meths today and with about 2 liters in the tank I put two cap fulls in and rocked it about then filled it up and rode off. It did splutter for a second after about 30 seconds and once more after a spirited lean for a moment (not really before in 3 hours of riding or since in about 45 minutes). So unless it keeps turning up I am calling to water and leaving the electrics alone unless it keeps on.

So question is a couple of cap fulls of meths (I can imagine the key word sweeps getting excited so I am throwing in precursor and amphetamine at no extra cost) good in this way. The comment about tanks not fully getting empty makes sense, you get on a lean and that little pipe now tips over and picks up that low water below empty (I never generally get below 1 liter left). Clearly if it is water some has gone through so it is the below the pickup level if any is left.

Or is it I should put like a cup full in on a full tank? Once a month as suggest (this makes sense). Is meths in any way back for a modern bike?

I see there is a new blade coming out soon... Probably not have the Kat sorted this side of more personal time so I might solve all issues that way. Still that is 2017 and it is covered in electrics (yuk I don't even have ABS I'd rather have to ride it myself) https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...irmed-for-2017

Electric everything, sounds shirt.

try mixing meths in a cup with water and see what happens,

[MrMarko]

I'll take the chocolate fish now drew.

[Banditbandit]

There may be restrictions on it as i think it's popular with P labs - you don't have a profitable sideline going do you?

No - not a P-Lab ..

[Bass]

So question is a couple of cap fulls of meths (I can imagine the key word sweeps getting excited so I am throwing in precursor and amphetamine at no extra cost) good in this way. .

Methylated spirits is mostly ethyl alcohol - the booze stuff. However it has a few percent of methyl alcohol added to make it undrinkable as the methyl stuff is poisonous. The resultant meths doesn't attract excise tax as a consequence.

Both ethyl and methyl alcohols are used as fuels. Ethyl is a direct petrol substitute and widely sold at up to 10% substitution. Methyl has a different stoichiometric ratio and if you are running big percentages, the mixture must be

substantially richened.

Ethyl alcohol is MUCH more tolerant of moisture than methyl - in fact very small water percentages will prevent methyl alcohol from mixing with petrol so it's as well that meths doesn't have much of it.

Ethyl should mix in a few percent of water OK but Isopropyl is much better.

If your bike is reasonably modern and is OK for fuels containing ethyl alcohol then meths will do no harm.