Gun happy US police

[bogan]

Give this man a medal for being 100% RIGHT.

What the pollies and the tree hugging do gooders don't seem to understand is , making ,laws so draconian that no one can abide by them STILL doesn't stop the unlawful/criminal from having any firearm/weapon they can imagine as long as they can afford to pay for it, while the other 99% law abiding population get shafted by stupid and unenforceable laws.

Therein lies the point, take such items away from law abiding citizens, and the black market price skyrockets. The crims then stick with cheaper handguns, which are arguably more suited to their sort of shenanigans anyway.

Effective weapons legislation is never about making it impossible to procure them, just making it so expensive or difficult that nobody bothers.

As for getting shafted, tell us again why Joe citizen needs automatic assault weapons?

[jasonu]

As for getting shafted, tell us again why Joe citizen needs automatic assault weapons?

Joe Public cannot get automatic assault weapons.

[bogan]

Joe Public cannot get automatic assault weapons.

Sorry, "semi"-automatic assault weapons then; why does Joe Public need them?

[jasonu]

Sorry, "semi"-automatic assault weapons then; why does Joe Public need them?

In case a crim that has one wants to relieve you of your ipod, blood, life... no point showing up to a gun fight with a knife.

[bogan]

In case a crim that has one wants to relieve you of your ipod, blood, life... no point showing up to a gun fight with a knife.

And a handgun or bolt action rifle is somehow insufficient for that purpose?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Sorry, "semi"-automatic assault weapons then; why does Joe Public need them?

To shoot joe bunny?


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[jasonu]

And a handgun or bolt action rifle is somehow insufficient for that purpose?

You don't know what you are talking about.

This is the sort of thing that can happen when you are out gunned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Extreme example I know but when AR15's etc are so easy for ANYONE to obtain why should I take any chances with my home and family defense.

[bogan]

You don't know what you are talking about.

This is the sort of thing that can happen when you are out gunned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Extreme example I know but when AR15's etc are so easy for ANYONE to obtain why should I take any chances with my home and family defense.

Are you taking the piss? That was a shootout between criminals and police, in which the criminals had exactly the kind of weapon stricter gun control seeks to prevent them from having. And you use this as an example of why Joe Public needs semi-automatic weapons? I would instead suggest you have no idea what I'm talking about. The police would still have access to weapons required to subdue heavily armed individuals, it's the public that would not have that access, thus depriving the criminal's of the main avenue to which they get access to such weapons.

But, that incident does demonstrate how valid the "semi" distinction is when referring to automatic assault weapons...

[Crasherfromwayback]

And a handgun or bolt action rifle is somehow insufficient for that purpose?

Extreme example I know but when AR15's etc are so easy for ANYONE to obtain why should I take any chances with my home and family defense.

12G shotgun would be my weapon of choice for protecting my family in my home.

[bogan]

12G shotgun would be my weapon of choice for protecting my family in my home.

That sounds more like it, sure as shit wouldn't want to be firing rounds that are still lethal after passing through a wall or two.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That sounds more like it, sure as shit wouldn't want to be firing rounds that are still lethal after passing through a wall or two.

You got it mate. Especially as I live in an apartment...wouldn't want to miss either. Might only get one shot.

[jasonu]

Are you taking the piss? That was a shootout between criminals and police, in which the criminals had exactly the kind of weapon stricter gun control seeks to prevent them from having. And you use this as an example of why Joe Public needs semi-automatic weapons? I would instead suggest you have no idea what I'm talking about. The police would still have access to weapons required to subdue heavily armed individuals, it's the public that would not have that access, thus depriving the criminal's of the main avenue to which they get access to such weapons.

But, that incident does demonstrate how valid the "semi" distinction is when referring to automatic assault weapons...

See post 292.

[pritch]

To answer some of the questions posed...

Here are some interesting U.S. stats from the FBI that help to put things in perspective...

1. “It would take 40 years worth of blacks killed by cops to equal the number of blacks killed by other blacks in one year”

2. “Less than 400 people a year are killed by cops, 61% of them are white. 32% are black”

3. “Black males are 58% of those killed by justifiable self defense…75% of those are by other blacks.”

4. “Blacks are 27% more likely to attacks whites than vice versa…8 times more likely to attack hispanics”

5. “90% of murdered black die at the hands of other blacks.

FYI a Criminologist called Dr Richard Johnson compiled this for the FBI.

The good doctor is talking crap in one respect so the rest of his figures are suspect too. The police are killing over 1000 people every year in the USA, a significant portion are unarmed, some are children. The US Government has not been tracking the figures, but lately several other sources have. The figures vary slightly, the Washington Post's are slightly lower, they only count shootings by cops who are on duty at the time. Some cops are so enthusiastic as to shoot people when they are off duty and these may be included in other counts.

[Brian d marge]

I posted the links a few pages back

sent for a divine source

[bogan]

See post 292.

Have you recently received a head injury? that was the post I quoted and responded to.

You guys know it's ok to be honest and just say "I like guns" right? There's no need for this "self/home defense" bullshit justification for them; all it achieves is making you look like irresponsible fools, which are character traits of people who really shouldn't have guns...