Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[haydes55]

Regardless of what I produce - it will be Forged or interpreted 'wrong' or some other BS.

There is literally nothing on earth that will convince you, because your position is one of blind Faith.

He's like a Christian. Blind faith that his god exists. But we all know this world was crafted by the flying spaghetti monster. And that's a proven fact.

May you all be touched by his noodly appendage.

[husaberg]

Yeah I just pulled that out my asre.

Yeah you sured yokeled it up.
Not only were you were wrong you wwere wrong a hundred fold or more

So why can't you post any details about how the gas chambers worked??

What's the reason cunt?

You are a bit confused that was the question you were asking someone else
But i have, on multiple occasions documented the process, in great detail, with photos eye witness accounts from both the Jewish and the Germans, plus plans and documents
You just cling still to your blind faith denials.

[Laava]

this world was crafted by the flying spaghetti monster.

Is that like a "hologram projecting" hovering metal sphere? Or is this another wierd Yokman theory?

[nzspokes]

http://www.auschwitz.dk/gerstein.htm

Drops mic, walks off stage......

[Katman]

Drops mic, walks off stage......

Are you aware of the huge exaggerations contained in the Gerstein Report?

[sidecar bob]

Are you aware of the huge exaggerations contained in the Gerstein Report?

Are you aware of the huge delusions in the 9 11 conspiracy theory?
Just accept that it did happen, instead of trying to be some kind of anti hero for no apparent reason.

[Katman]

Are you aware of the huge delusions in the 9 11 conspiracy theory?
Just accept that it did happen, instead of trying to be some kind of anti hero for no apparent reason.

How about you go fuck yourself.

[Bass]

Small point of order and I stand to be corrected but my understanding is that Zyklon B was actually in crystalline form and just dumped down a chute from above. This was another reason for packing the people in because it raised the temperature and sped up the process of the crystals subliming hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid).
The gas was then cleared by turning on fans but those removing the corpses could often smell almonds (the signature smell of HCN) and those of the sonderkommando (crematorium/gas chamber workers) who survived, often exhibited the results of cyanide exposure.

Again my understanding is that the doors opened outwards and that as Katman suggests, the victims were often piled high against the inside of the doors. The workers use hooked poles to disentangle them.

I recommend the books "Five chimneys" and "Auschwitz". They are too detailed for it all to be imagination - some surprising stuff - things you wouldn't think of unless you had actually done it.

One last one for Drew - the sorting process on arrival at some camps is well documented. Only those who would make good workers survived. The rest were gassed asap. Many of the war crimes prosecutions in latter years were of guards involved in this sorting process.

[sidecar bob]

How about you go fuck yourself.

You really are constantly in a dark angry place aren't you.
You should put getting some help to get on top of that on the list of things to get sorted out ASAP.

[Banditbandit]

Well that's one way to try shutting down the discussion.

Not even close - this is a vaccination thread that has degenerated to a holocaust argument thread - pointless drivel ...

Meet me at the track on any bike you want, i'll still run circles around you.

Twit ...

I'm astounded at the sheer fucking stupidity of people who read a conspiracy theory on anything and immediately take that side and write off all credible evidence of the actual events that is right in their face.

Who then proceed to bash other people over the head with that conspiracy and abuse them because they disagree.

The problem is that "Don't believe everything the authorities tell you" has become "Don't believe anything the authorities tell you". Which means that ALL official stories are necessarily wrong ...

Define irrefutable.

If we go down the philosophical route (Paging Dr Bandit) - then there is no such thing as irrefutable.

Me personally, I'd say the written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators, the Physical evidence that backs up their testimony, the Photographic and video evidence that further backs up the testimony and the physical evidence is enough for me to conclude that it happened.

Yes - that's the basic problem here. The evidence certainly shows that the Holocaust occurred and that a HUGE number of people were sent to death in the gas chambers of the Nazi death camps.

The only thing that is going to convince the deniers is a continuous and unedited film of people being sent into the gas chambers, the Nazis flicking the switch, and then the gas cambers being emptied of dead bodies .. such video has never been found.


Even better would be video of what occurred in a gas chamber as they died .. doesn't exist ...

And the deniers generally think that no evidence = didn't happen but lack of evidence is not the same as no evidence, and can't support the next step of "didn't happen". .

So there will always be "wriggle room" for the holocaust deniers .. even though the Nazis themselves admitted it happened, and even though the Nazis themselves kept records of it happening.

The photos of the gas chambers don't prove it for them. The eye witness testimony of Death Camp survivors (even the ones who were forced to empty the gas chambers and run the crematoriums, won't convince them.)

Yokel can say they died of disease .... and sure some of them did .. saved the gas bill ...

The nature of the knowledge allows wriggle room for all those who say Never believe ANYTHING the authorities tell you.

[Katman]

Not even close - this is a vaccination thread that has degenerated to a holocaust argument thread

True.

The last 15 or so pages have stemmed directly from TDL asking me if I condemn Bayer for their role in the holocaust.

And as I said 15 pages ago, I haven't seen any absolute proof that Bayer were involved in the gassing of millions of jews.

(And before anybody tries accusing me of inconsistency - I'm not defending Bayer at all).

[Banditbandit]

I've not heard the tale told thus. My understanding was that they were shipped to camps, worked as slaves, starved, and killed off when they were no longer productive.

True.

The last 15 or so pages have stemmed directly from TDL asking me if I condemn Bayer for their role in the holocaust.

And as I said 15 pages ago, I haven't seen any absolute proof that Bayer were involved in the gassing of millions of jews.

(And before anybody tries accusing me of inconsistency - I'm not defending Bayer at all).

In 1995 the then head of Bayer, apologized for the company's involvement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.701925

Proof enough for you?

PS OK I get why the thread changed tack ..

[Katman]

In 1995 the then head of Bayer, apologized for the company's involvement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.701925

Proof enough for you?

PS OK I get why the thread changed tack ..

Fair enough - I'll condemn them for using slave labour. (There'd be no shortage of companies that have qualified for that condemnation over the years though).

I assumed TDL was referring to the Zyklon B issue.

But that article doesn't provide proof that IG Farben's Zyklon B was used for the gassing of millions of jews.

[Banditbandit]

But that article doesn't provide proof that IG Farben's Zyklon B was used for the gassing of millions of jews.

From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz (Klee, 255):


At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B -- as already mentioned -- was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in.

They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

Go here .. answers all the denier's points about Zyklon B

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz...tz-faq-06.html

[MrMarko]