From bad to worse?

[russd7]

I could never figure out why they don't have some sort of safe vehicle that can go up the drift that wouldn't trigger methane explosions.

look up "intrinsically safe", i would think it would be extremely difficult to make a machine that is controlled remotely to go that distance and still be intrinsically safe..

remember Solid Energy (government) did not own the mine when the explosion happened and yet they seem to be getting the blame for not getting the ashes out.

personally i say seal the fucker and let sleeping dogs lie.

[Akzle]

remember Solid Energy (government) did not own the mine when the explosion happened and yet they seem to be getting the blame for not getting the ashes out.

might have something to do with johnny saying, rather emphatically " we WILL get them out" innit.

personally i say seal the fucker and let sleeping dogs lie.

and you have skin in the game do you?

[husaberg]

Judge Farish slammed the Pike River company for a “total lack of remorse” and claims that it could not afford to pay reparation to the families.

“It is not often a company steps back and holds its hands up and says ‘I have nothing’. Even a company in a fragile state usually comes forward and offers reparation, but here nothing has been forthcoming.
“I am satisfied the company has the means to pay either by existing shareholders or a combination of the shareholders and directors. I note that the directors have significant insurance.”
But the Judge’s very strong statements did not embarrass the relevant parties into coughing up although it has been said that at least one shareholder has had the decency to make a pro rata offer of cash from his share of the insurance payout.
So how did John Key respond to suggestions that the shareholders of the parent company NZ Oil and Gas should stump up with the cash? After all these included ACC and the Cullen Fund and favourable noises from him would have no doubt persuaded these entities to at least pay their share of the compensation ordered. Between them they own about 7% of NZOG’s shares have a 7% direct or indirect stake in Pike River so on a pro rata basis a miserly $238,000 would have to be paid. Their share of the insurance payout of $80 million that NZOG received would be $5.6 million so the Government could have paid its share of the compensation from this amount and barely missed it.
But Key ruled this out on the basis that he would be creating a precedent
https://thestandard.org.nz/key-refus...or-pike-river/

“the royal commission into the tragedy found the then Labour Department should have issued a prohibition notice when Pike started hydro extraction of coal in September 2010 because the mine lacked a second emergency exit.” The commission finding said that “[t]he Department of Labour did not have the focus, capacity or strategies to ensure that Pike was meeting its legal responsibilities under health and safety laws. The department assumed that Pike was complying with the law, even though there was ample evidence to the contrary.”


“[t]he royal commission’s report also highlighted that the Government’s mining inspectorate had substantially declined since new health and safety laws were introduced in 1992. It had ignored warnings that the changes could be disastrous for mining” lawyer Nick Davidson QC said.

[bogan]

look up "intrinsically safe", i would think it would be extremely difficult to make a machine that is controlled remotely to go that distance and still be intrinsically safe..

remember Solid Energy (government) did not own the mine when the explosion happened and yet they seem to be getting the blame for not getting the ashes out.

personally i say seal the fucker and let sleeping dogs lie.

That shit's only tricky when you have other constraints, build cost/time, interface/sensor choices. Blanks slate and blank cheque would make it easy enough.

[russd7]

might have something to do with johnny saying, rather emphatically " we WILL get them out" innit.

and you have skin in the game do you?

yeah i understand that about johnny but it is not only politicians that make rash statements in the heat of the moment.

as for skin in the game, no, but anyone that knows me well knows that even if i did i would say the same thing, not cold hearted but i also know that bringing back bones or even ashes isn't going to bring the closure that anyone is expecting. only thing that can do that is people chosing to move on and continue living life while they are still alive.

those people that died will never be forgotten in our lifetime.

to be honest, the only thing i would be hunting for is someone to be held accountable for the whole clusterfuck that lead to this result.

[pete376403]

to be honest, the only thing i would be hunting for is someone to be held accountable for the whole clusterfuck that lead to this result.

Which could be why solid energy are so keen not to have anyone looking in there.

[Akzle]

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to be honest, the only thing i would be hunting for is someone to be held accountable for the whole clusterfuck that lead to this result.

which IMO, is pretty much what's seeking to be hidden by filling the cunt with concrete.

given the nature of the fires and the falls, it's doubtful you'd even tell which piles of ash were carcasses. the time to have done it would have been immediately after the first explosion, when there was insufficient gas to reignite. SCBAs and y'd've been away.

read a book about it, it put the blame squarely on the controller (peter whitall?) who sounds like a weasely cunt as-is, and i believe has has fucked off to his motorlaunch somewhere. ahhh. justice.

[Ocean1]

look up "intrinsically safe", i would think it would be extremely difficult to make a machine that is controlled remotely to go that distance and still be intrinsically safe..

remember Solid Energy (government) did not own the mine when the explosion happened and yet they seem to be getting the blame for not getting the ashes out.

personally i say seal the fucker and let sleeping dogs lie.

That shit's only tricky when you have other constraints, build cost/time, interface/sensor choices. Blanks slate and blank cheque would make it easy enough.

Aye. I've made wee magnetic crawlers for survey work on/in bulk storage tanks, which are invariably DG class 1 zone 1 designated areas and need intrinsically safe power systems, (unless they've been certified gas free etc).

Simplest approach I've found is to use compressed gas for motive power, there's just no practical way to intrinsically safe that much hp. Instrumentation's a different matter, most of that can be bought intrinsically safe off the shelf. And in fact it's been a long time since I needed to do even that, laser tracking and com's systems are well below the energy limit.

[husaberg]

Aye. I've made wee magnetic crawlers for survey work on/in bulk storage tanks, which are invariably DG class 1 zone 1 designated areas and need intrinsically safe power systems, (unless they've been certified gas free etc).

Simplest approach I've found is to use compressed gas for motive power, there's just no practical way to intrinsically safe that much hp. Instrumentation's a different matter, most of that can be bought intrinsically safe off the shelf. And in fact it's been a long time since I needed to do even that, laser tracking and com's systems are well below the energy limit.

Which is exactly what the underground startermotors use.

[Ocean1]

Which is exactly what the underground startermotors use.

That, or spring starters, (there's a Ford D series spring starter somewhere around here, left over from a boat building project).

But you'd want to be using a shitload less air for a survey crawler than an air starter does. Mine weigh bugger all, couple of KG, the motors are about the size of my thumb, including gearbox. I can do a complete tank survey on well less than a G size bottle of Co2.

[merv]

See now you are talking. The gummint keeps panicking about losing more people, so why send people in if you can send machines in? Job done.

[russd7]

(peter whitall?) who sounds like a weasely cunt as-is, and i believe has has fucked off to his motorlaunch somewhere. ahhh. justice.

thats the fucker, his name escaped me earlier.

[russd7]

Which could be why solid energy are so keen not to have anyone looking in there.

why would solid energy be worried, they took ownership after the fact.

[husaberg]

That, or spring starters, (there's a Ford D series spring starter somewhere around here, left over from a boat building project).

But you'd want to be using a shitload less air for a survey crawler than an air starter does. Mine weigh bugger all, couple of KG, the motors are about the size of my thumb, including gearbox. I can do a complete tank survey on well less than a G size bottle of Co2.

there is an Aussie firm i can't recall the name of, that makes most of the FP starters compressed air = no poential arcing.
They also make very tasty Vincent replicas.
http://www.khequipment.com.au/
http://www.irvingvincent.com/
http://www.irvingvincent.com/bikes

[Ocean1]

See now you are talking. The gummint keeps panicking about losing more people, so why send people in if you can send machines in? Job done.

Because standard H&S protocols consider any avoidable risk should actually be avoided.

And no matter how small the risk in anything/one entering that mine it's still there, so unless there's the possibility of saving lives the answer will always be that it's not worth even a very small risk.