Rodeos

[Katman]

I am not a fan of causing any kind of torment purely for the sake of entertainment, so perhaps its more a question of whether some kind of regulation would be a satisfactory solution?

Of course, you have a whole new can of worms there, deciding what factors to consider, and where to apply a limit etc.

As I've already pointed out, there are already regulations that are routinely being ignored.

Electric prods are not to be used on calves but when Marty Deans (President of the Rodeo Cowboys Association) was shown video footage during a radio interview of exactly that happening, his response was merely "well I don't believe he actually used the prod - he just had it in his hand and moved it near the animal".

[Katman]

And further to the question earlier in the thread, "which is preferable, 10 minutes of stress and discomfort, or death?" the reality for the calves used in rodeos is that their next stop is usually the meat works.

So they get to be tormented before they're killed.

[Akzle]

i'm all for rodeos.


if the bovine are replaced with bankers, politicians, other jews and niggers.

[husaberg]

As I've already pointed out, there are already regulations that are routinely being ignored.

Electric prods are not to be used on calves but when Marty Deans (President of the Rodeo Cowboys Association) was shown video footage during a radio interview of exactly that happening, his response was merely "well I don't believe he actually used the prod - he just had it in his hand and moved it near the animal".

I think you need to get a few details clear.
There is no regulations (as far as i am aware) regarding the use of electric prods on calves (other than simple animal cruelty covered by other acts)
The use of cattle prods on calves at rodeos are governed by the NZ rodeo code of conduct that they created. That Bans the use of prods "to intentionally agitate cattle".
Electric cattle products are not harmful to cattle they are a physiological effect ie not pleasant. But not harmfull either.
They are powered by a couple of D batteries ie they have far less current and shock level then an normal electric fence. Far less painful and damaging than a whip used on horses.

Cattle prods are a tool used to load cattle onto trucks whether destined for slaughter or to grazing or for sale to another farm all around the world.
I would rather like to see you load a unit of cattle without one, in under 4 hours. without vast amounts of help or quite a few dogs.

And further to the question earlier in the thread, "which is preferable, 10 minutes of stress and discomfort, or death?" the reality for the calves used in rodeos is that their next stop is usually the meat works.

So they get to be tormented before they're killed.

Also your naivety in regards to the calves being sent to slaughter immediately after the rodeo is apparent as they are clearly beef cattle not destined to slaughter for at least another 15 months.
There is actuallly no market or processing schedule for cattle that size and age in NZ
While i believe your actual intentions may be good in this circumstances, your overall lack of knowledge is making the points you wish to make, look like ill conceived rantings.

[Katman]

I think you need to get a few details clear.
There is no regulations (as far as i am aware) regarding the use of electric prods on calves (other than simple animal cruelty covered by other acts)
The use of cattle prods on calves at rodeos are governed by the NZ rodeo code of conduct that they created.

Go educate yourself.

https://www.mpi.govt.nz/document-vault/4810

[husaberg]

Go educate yourself.

https://www.mpi.govt.nz/document-vault/4810

You might want to read my post again.
Code of Welfare

[Katman]

You might want to read my post again.
Code of Welfare

It's a Code of Welfare issued by the Ministry for Primary Industries that clearly states.....

(i) Electric prodders must not be used by inexperienced handlers or used on animals other than adult
cattle.

[husaberg]

It's a Code of Welfare issued by the Ministry for Primary Industries that clearly states.....

MPi issue and administer the codes, who do you think created the code?
I will give you a hint codes are created by the industry that they serve, they are then submitted for feedbck and vetted, then opened for submission.
I should have known that you are impossible to have a reasonable discussion as you are rather lacking in intelligence and rather high in uncontrolled emotion.

Electric prodders are only used when necessary, and then only for less than one second at a time, on chute stalled stock  Electric prodders are not used on animals performing in the arena  Electric prods are of minimum amperage, powered only by battery or dynamo and deliver a single charge per application

Feel free to ingnore my whole post as its rather apparent you are just trolling.
Good day to you sir.

[Katman]

MPi issue and administer the codes, who do you think created the code?

Go read it and you might just find out.

[Akzle]

Go educate yourself.

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dont hold your breath though ayye

[Katman]

Also your naivety in regards to the calves being sent to slaughter immediately after the rodeo is apparent as they are clearly beef cattle not destined to slaughter for at least another 15 months.
There is actuallly no market or processing schedule for cattle that size and age in NZ

Do you know what veal is?

[husaberg]

Do you know what veal is?

Do the calves used in the rodeo look like 4 day old dairy calves to you?
I used suggest you try and ban cheese as that where the renet comes from as well.

[Katman]

Feel free to ingnore my whole post as its rather apparent you are just trolling.

I'm happy to ignore your whole post as you clearly don't know what the fuck you're on about.

[Katman]

Do the calves used in the rodeo look like 4 day old dairy calves to you?
I used suggest you try and ban cheese as that where the renet comes from as well.

Bobby calves aren't the only source of veal.

Veal is anything younger than 12 months.

[husaberg]

Bobby calves aren't the only source of veal.

Veal is anything younger than 12 months.

Find a beef schedule in nz that covers it then.
better still ring up a meat works and ask them how much of a bill they would send you fees to kill a 100KG-150kg liveweight animal
As i are feeling a bit sorry for you i will give you a hint.
The calves used in rodeo are about 100KG-150 liveweight. an animal that size would be lucky to dress out at one third of that.
near the end of the season they are a little larger but not much.
Contrary to your idea of what happens after a rodeo the calves are returned to the people that donated them, where they are likely loaded and unloaded with cattle prods where they grave contently for another 12-15 months behind an electric fence.
When they reach an economic killing weight nomally 280-320kg dead weight or 560-640kg liveweight are then loaded into a cattle truck with electric prodder taking to a freezing unloaded again with electric prodders works and loaded up the killing chute with electric prodders and stuned with an electric shock.
Best you stick to cats and dogs katman its clearly too traumatic for you to accept reality.