The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Brian d marge]

Apparently whoever sucks hardest and longest wins the required approval - make it this way or it's the highway! America first - just after Israel.

pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

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[Woodman]

pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

( this message was brought to you by the tin hat manufacturers milton kynes, proudly sponsoring tin hats since Enki looked on man with favour)

One of us needs to get out more ........

[Brian d marge]

One of us needs to get out more ........

cant , they will get me... I know they are out there waiting ...

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[husaberg]

pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

( this message was brought to you by the tin hat manufacturers milton kynes, proudly sponsoring tin hats since Enki looked on man with favour)

I think i now know where you got your tin foil from.
It was wrapped arround some erbs.....pounds of it by the sound of it

[Brian d marge]

I think i now know where you got your tin foil from.
It was wrapped arround some erbs.....pounds of it by the sound of it

I wish
I'm in Japan ... All sorts of kinky shyt can u do

But natural drugs ....oh no
Not good

BTW ... Tis true what I posted and that's not the half of it

But I remember the words of a wise man ....


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[husaberg]

I wish
I'm in Japan ... All sorts of kinky shyt can u do

But natural drugs ....oh no
Not good

BTW ... Tis true what I posted and that's not the half of it

But I remember the words of a wise man ....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a4c035fb5c.gif


sent for a divine source

Pretty sure thats been paraphrased down further

You never go Full Katman... (movie reference).
...

[oldrider]

Opinion? or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-ne...within/5581878

[Grumph]

Opinion? or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.

Given that the much maligned MSM is simply playing recorded press conferences and quoting what the dickhead is saying, I think I might have a hint which side is indulging in fake news and alternative facts....Check on Reuters position. Nothing's reported unless it's able to be independently verified.

But as I've said before, it's better than Game of Thrones.

Splendid hyperbole, BTW.

[Ocean1]

Have you looked at voting history over the last say 30 years? How often did any Government in this country gain more than 50% of the total vote?

in 1972 Labour got 48.4% of the total
In 1975 national got 47.6%
In 1978 national got 39.8% Labour got 40.04 - National Governed
In 1981 National got 38.8% Labour got 39% (The Nats Governed - Muldoon)
In 1984 Labour got 42.98%
1987 Labour got 47.9%
In 1990 National got 47.82
1993 National got 35.05%
In 1997 National got 33.87% - Bolger got to run the place - this was the first election under MMP.

Given that there is low turn out - never 100% of voters, you cannot claim in any shape or form, that from 1972 to 1993 ANY Government had majority support of the voters.

So tell me again about how we had a representative democracy under FFP.

You don't need 50% of the votes to be the most popular choice.

And adding some votes from a party none of the primary supporters voted for to make up some arbitrary difference in no way constitutes a representative government.

It's a fucking stupid system.

[Brian d marge]

Opinion? or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-ne...within/5581878

Opinion me thinks
The great unwashed of America , yes... cannon fodder

The power .. and the power centres
I don't know
Rome , England, and DC the 3 big centres of the world
Though
As Spain ranks higher than the queen , not sure about the temple bar and its status , possible our red shield bank is more in favour with rome, who has the power apart from Rome?
Spain , what's that , the house of Aragon ( Anjou ?) And is higher that the saxe-coburg , what other houses have more clout. And as all, well a lot of them , of the US presidents trace back to the Venetian royals? , George the 1st... I think,not in a position to check right now. Why would the centre of power shift to Israel?
A war yes , but a shift in power?
Would the landed families allow that? , Can they allow that?
Also the move by da jermans to move the financial centre to jermany..... is that jerman money coming back to haunt the criminal gangs we call leaders ,
Israel has a lot answer for but it's where and whom you don't see that one must look to find the real movers and shakers. Trump and pence tis but a side show

Just some thoughts with 20 min to go before being released ,,from work.



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[Akzle]

It's an interesting Dilema.

One which I don't think either system solves adequately.

If only we could have benevolent dictators....

vote akzle .

[pritch]

It's a fucking stupid system.

Nah. As one of the people who from time to time change their mind, and thereby change the government, I love it.

[Banditbandit]

Are those figures the percentage of the total of eligible voters or the percentage of people who actually voted?

It's a percentage of the people who actually voted.

You don't need 50% of the votes to be the most popular choice.

True - but then you have a Government that most people did not vote for - exactly your criticism of MMP.

And adding some votes from a party none of the primary supporters voted for to make up some arbitrary difference in no way constitutes a representative government.

It's a fucking stupid system.

But it does - it gives you a Government that most people can go along with - and it stops the extremism of both ends of the political spectrum. Any laws that get passed must be supported by a majority of the MPs and that majority has a majority support of the voters.

[Grumph]

So I see the latest edict from his Trumpness is that the EPA shall cease being active in reducing carbon emissions.

Wonder how long the Paris accord will last now.

Next moves - back to steam on the railways - and a coal fire in every household in America....

[Ocean1]

True - but then you have a Government that most people did not vote for - exactly your criticism of MMP.




But it does - it gives you a Government that most people can go along with - and it stops the extremism of both ends of the political spectrum. Any laws that get passed must be supported by a majority of the MPs and that majority has a majority support of the voters.

So what? It's still the most popular choice.

And no, that's nothing like my criticism of MMP. MMP dosen't give you a government most people want, in most cases the result isn't anything anyone had any ability to either chose or predict. Yet again: the result of MMP is almost always something nobody voted for, so how can you claim it has any sort of majority support?

All it does is mandate fucking stupid, irrelevant trade offs, like "you support us on X issue, (which we don't have any public support for), and we'll support you on this (completely unrelated piece of bullshit) Y issue that you also don't have enough support for". How the fuck is that "representative" of anything but an institutionalised rip off?