1st to 2nd Conundrums

[george formby]

You think thats bad, check out Katmans family tree!

What, they are still living in trees? No! The missing link?

That pic is a bit too felchy for my liking.

[Ocean1]

The most highly skilled rider I have seen is a BMW stunt rider who is able to aim at a wall, do a stoppie and flick the tail of the bike around making a 90degree turn. I bet though he would have come off a few times before perfecting that. Maybe thats something for all the "KNOW ALLS" on this site to try if they want something new to learn. They will need to be able to do it on a BMW 1200GS too not a skinny trials bike which are often used for this sort of stunt riding.

Thanks Moi. KB is so confusing at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out which gear I need to be in to successfully back a 1200 GS into a wall. And why?

Don't think it matters does it? Apparently the only thing that does is a large dollop of luck...

[Ocean1]

Invercargill mid winter is not always a fun time to ride.

Fucking blouse.

[george formby]

Don't think it matters does it? Apparently the only thing that does is a large dollop of luck...

I have been reliably informed that the gear I'm looking for is reverse, luckily, I know where a GL 1800 is parked... It's being used as a shelter belt for a Kiwifruit orchard.

[Ocean1]

I have been reliably informed that the gear I'm looking for is reverse, luckily, I know where a GL 1800 is parked... It's being used as a shelter belt for a Kiwifruit orchard.

Luck AND a GL1800 eh?

I knew it wasn't my fault I couldn't stop turn the KT...

[FJRider]

... Take a big cruiser for a test ride in a strong wind to compare with your FJ.

I would prefer you take a 300kg +HD for a ride in strong wind and let us know how it went ...

[pritch]

Two years to learn how to ride is an awful long time and a lot of money by the sounds of it! What I will say is that I do believe that after two years of riding one would still be learning and aquiring better skills.. even after many years this would still be the case, as with any other skill you practice.

Don't believe anything Cassina says, almost without exception it is misinformed nonsense.

There are riding schools that teach basic and slightly more advanced techniques. You can probably get recommendations for where you live from people here.

When you have done those courses and have been riding for a while there is the Institute of Advanced Motorcyclists which specialises in refining the riding skills of experienced riders and which could take two years, but you are probably several years away from even starting that.

There are a couple of IAM assessors hereabout and it seems Cassina has confused their programme with a riding school.

[onearmedbandit]

By attaining outstanding situational awareness and other skills taught by IAM, you will be able to deal with both planned and unplanned events in a confident and skilled manner. Who wouldn’t want to increase their enjoyment of riding on 2 wheels, raising skills and reduce the risk of coming to serious harm all at the same time?

Ooooooo I know who....

[onearmedbandit]

Everyone on here just loves saying there is always time to swerve or brake to avoid the screwups of others. Well in one of my accidents it would not have mattered as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge in my car and had just come off the end of it and bang I was hit by a car that did not give way. I did not see them coming as I was in a low down sportish car and there was a bend at the end of the bridge. Now lets assume I was on a bike or 4WD sitting much higher up I may have seen them prior to the moment of impact and I would have been still on the bridge at that time. With bridge railings each side of me there would be no where to swerve and the effect of any braking would be questionable due to the driver of the car thinking they were on a 2 way bridge.

I would have been killed if I was on a bike as I saw things but I would love to know if I had been an advanced IAM certified rider how I would have avoided the car based on their teachings?

No one on here has ever said there is always time to take evasive action. But having the mindset that there is is far better than just leaving it up to luck.

There are to me certain situations that require very cautious riding. For example if I see a camper van on the side of an open road I'll slow right down to a speed that means if the driver suddenly pulls out I can stop safely. If it's a normal vehicle I'll still slow down and take a wide berth. Better to cost myself a few seconds than risk ending up in an accident.

With regards to your crash it's hard to comment without knowing all the particulars. And while I'm no IAM instructor I have done a defensive driving course. A big component of that course was identifying hazards. 3 things stand out to me from what you said. Firstly the one lane bridge. This leaves no escape path so caution is advised. Secondly is the bend at the end of said bridge, reducing your visibility for oncoming traffic and also reducing theirs for any traffic on the bridge. Thirdly your claim of reduced visibility due to being in a low sports car. All these things combined would suggest to me that in that situation approaching with extreme caution is advised. However there may well have been nothing you could've done.

Do you know the road off the Summit Road that leads to the Sugar Loaf? If so you'll know the very narrow width of the road and the blind right hand bend. I've met cars head on at the exact point but because I've negotiated that piece of road with extreme caution I've not had an accident there at all. The potential for accident there though is very high.

Yes I know life is full of risks. 20yrs later I'm still paying for a risk I took. Paying for it in extreme chronic pain most people will never experience for even a minute. Paying for it by only having the use of one arm as well. So I'm well versed in risk. Now some would observe my riding on occassion and say I'm reckless, I'm not going to argue that. But equally so there are times where I know I need to proceed with extreme caution.

[onearmedbandit]

Firstly many on here have said in reply to me there is always time to avoid the screwups of others and going to a riding school would teach that. You may just have not seen their replies to me and there have been plenty saying the same thing.

I'll have to have a look back through but what you're saying would surprise me if true.

Those people have just been lucky in my opinion in that the screwup of the other motorist has happened slow enough.

While there is always an element of luck, we can help make our own luck. And sorry but you can not categorically state that they were 'just' lucky.

The bend was at the end of the bridge so I knew right at the start I was not at fault which was confirmed by a witness plus I was in a line of traffic so I was not hooning

Sure you may not have been at fault but your actions may have contributred.

After the impact I checked my headlight switch was on and it was, so even if the driver coming towards my car did not see it due to the bridge railings he should have seen the glare of my headlights even though it was daylight.

Very hard to see headlight glare during daytime.

Yes I know the Summit Rd and know there is no room for error there/

Yes that whole road can be a bit tight but I was referring to the road leading up to the Sugar Loaf.

As you are in ChCh the bridge where I was hit was the Huranui Bridge SH1 about 15min south of Cheviot if you know it?
I actually went over it on my bike a few months ago and felt it would be now a lot safer with less traffic up that way. I checked before i got on it the other end of the bridge was clear of approaching cars but even then if someone has no intention of giving way you would be on the bridge already when you first see them. I note last year there was a story in the paper about residents up that way wanting that bridge to be 2 lanes. So there has been far more people coming to grief on it than just me.

Yes I know it. In my book one lane bridges really have no place on a State Highway.

I perhaps took more risks when I was younger maybe having more flickable bikes back then and just got lucky unlike you.

The only thing unlucky about my accident was the way I landed. The rest of it was purely my fault. Going too fast for my skill level.

I hope you can understand now after my accident experience why I do not see riding school training as being the safety solution others think they are.

I'd understand your position better if you had actually attended a riding school and could hand-on-heart state afterwards that you learned nothing from it that could help to keep you safe on the roads. As you actually haven't I don't feel you can comment on it.

[Mike.Gayner]

Why is every thread involving cassina such a garbage pile? What do you idiots keep responding to him/her? Cassina is obviously either a masterful troll (and you're all falling for it) or a mentally deranged moron, who obviously wouldn't be worth debating.

[Mike.Gayner]

If I was a moron don't you think it would make them equally moronic wasting their time responding?

Yep.
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[onearmedbandit]

Why is every thread involving cassina such a garbage pile? What do you idiots keep responding to him/her? Cassina is obviously either a masterful troll (and you're all falling for it) or a mentally deranged moron, who obviously wouldn't be worth debating.

It's mildy entertaining and educational (although not for the reason cassina would think).

[Jeeper]

I must say moderation on this forum is fairly lax, compared to just about every other forum I am (and have been) on since last century. It is indeed educational, but for all the wrong reasons.

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[trufflebutter]

I must say moderation on this forum is fairly lax, compared to just about every other forum I am (and have been) on since last century. It is indeed educational, but for all the wrong reasons.

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It is, years ago some often grizzled that the site was over moderator'd. There seems to be only four Mods operating for some time now.
Gremlin/Caseye/PrincessBandit and OAB. The other ten on the list no longer visit.

Bob was last here in 2015
Cave weta has not posted since Xmas 2014
Clmintie still logs in
Delphinus last posted in 2013.
FilthyLuka even worse at 2011.
Gav not so bad 2016
Hitcher (too busy bus driving I suspect) Feb this year.
Jantar = May 2016, almost a year.
Klingon has been away since 2012
Krayy March of this year.

It is possible that Clmntie/Gav and Krayy still Mod, but I doubt it.