Another near miss blathering....

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The GoPro required nothing from the "riding to the conditions" department on this occasion...



Well yeah, traffic ahead slowing but let's just keep rolling at same speed, then react like treacle when the obvious happens...



It's either for the "GoPro wearers are wankers" thread or the "I may be related to Cassina" thread which may soon be deleted...

Enjoyed this thread,

Helped me scrutinize my own riding and also reinforced the importance of awareness or lack of.

[caspernz]

Only idiots like you believe going to a riding school will make them bullet proof. I have struck a raw nerve with you and your mates that shit can happen to even better riders than you lot eh?

At no point did anybody ever suggest taking a riding class (or ongoing training of any kind) will make a rider bullet proof. Your choice to make that assumption. Hazard awareness is a skill that can be taught, used properly it can significantly reduce the frequency and/or severity of an accident. The prerequisite to learning is an open mind, which apparently is your downfall. Please give the "stuff happens too quick to react to" record a rest, for it merely reinforces your own shortcomings. It has no benefit for any new rider that you continually wish to bestows this on. If stuff happens too quick to react to, you're either going too fast for the conditions or your forward observation needs to extend further.

Your reluctance to have your skill weighed and measured to a recognized standard thus invalidates any comments you choose to make. Have you done the ACC sponsored Rideforever courses? Have you looked at any Roadcraft style teaching to further your skills? Have you done anything at all to improve your defensive riding? The number of accidents you admit to would certainly warrant some sort of assistance from an external source, rather than just relying on lady luck...

Some of us have done a fair amount of rider training beyond obtaining the licence, and we choose to comment from a mildly more advanced stand point. Your rantings just get in the way, thus you cop a fair bit of flack. Polite mode occasionally works for me...

Enjoyed this thread,

Helped me scrutinize my own riding and also reinforced the importance of awareness or lack of.

Oh heck at least you've kept an open mind about it all. Prerequisite number one

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...I was enjoying this thread too, until posters started feeding that ignorant fuckwit...why?...it is (the fuckwit) way past the point of being entertaining and almost now, nauseating...

[SVboy]

By feeding the troll, you only encourage it.

[caspernz]

But the point you and your mates dont get is that there is no way of telling in advance when another vehicle, person or animal is going to go from a state of minding their own business to being a hazard. How far you are away from them should they become a hazard towards you all comes down to luck and not riding school training.

Since you've not partaken in any defensive riding/driving education in recent times, may I suggest you actually open your mind and go along to one of the Rideforever courses? You'd be surprised what you may actually pick up. Beyond that I fit into the category of being rather unwilling to debate with you, at least in this manner, or should I add in a civil fashion. It's your choice to have the stance you have, but to foist your single minded opinion upon other members of this forum is what irks quite a number of us.

The basis of the Rideforever series is Roadcraft, in itself proven to work, and used by a number of establishments worldwide. Using Roadcraft reduces my need to rely on luck, as you'd find if you actually attended one of the aforementioned courses. Over and out.

By feeding the troll, you only encourage it.

My sole purpose is to interject, on occasion only mind you, so as to not have newbs suffer from taking onboard stuff that is just so wrong...as obvious as it may seem. I still come across riders who fear using the front brake with any gusto lest it launch them over the handlebars...

[Moi]

Oh heck at least you've kept an open mind about it all. Prerequisite number one

Not just an open mind, but an open mind that is thinking about what's happening... the "What if..." thoughts.

What if someone changes lanes?

What if someone drives out of that farm driveway?

What if there's a mob of cows just round the corner? [esp this time of year]

What if that bus just pulls out?

and so on...

[Moi]

... My sole purpose is to interject, on occasion only mind you, so as to not have newbs suffer from taking onboard stuff that is just so wrong...as obvious as it may seem. I still come across riders who fear using the front brake with any gusto lest it launch them over the handlebars...

Recently spent a Sunday morning with a few riding friends doing a bit of slow riding and emergency stopping practise... a well worthwhile couple of hours...

As I used to tell the kids I taught: "If you want to be good at something you have to practise and you have to critique and be critiqued".

Having someone watch you ride and critique a couple of points is so worthwhile.

[caspernz]

Not just an open mind, but an open mind that is thinking about what's happening... the "What if..." thoughts.

What if someone changes lanes?

What if someone drives out of that farm driveway?

What if there's a mob of cows just round the corner? [esp this time of year]

What if that bus just pulls out?

and so on...

Recently spent a Sunday morning with a few riding friends doing a bit of slow riding and emergency stopping practise... a well worthwhile couple of hours...

As I used to tell the kids I taught: "If you want to be good at something you have to practise and you have to critique and be critiqued".

Having someone watch you ride and critique a couple of points is so worthwhile.

Yes that riding and being critiqued can be tough at first, but I've gone thru that and it just means you come out the other end a better/safer rider for it.

Great to see you've got it sussed

[Jeeper]

Safe following distance is luck, and not driver/rider awareness training and understanding of physics? What a revelation. I've been ignorant of my luck all these years. I have learned so much from this thread. Keep up the good work everyone.

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[Zedder]

Not just an open mind, but an open mind that is thinking about what's happening... the "What if..." thoughts.

What if someone changes lanes?

What if someone drives out of that farm driveway?

What if there's a mob of cows just round the corner? [esp this time of year]

What if that bus just pulls out?

and so on...

Thankfully you didn't write a "What if " for a dog running out because apparently, they're impossible to avoid...

[pritch]

This time of year those of us out on the rural rump have an extra what if to consider, "What if there has been cow shit dumped around the corner?"

[Moi]

Thankfully you didn't write a "What if " for a dog running out because, apparently, they're impossible to avoid...

'Twas tempted,


but I think that's really tempting the fickle finger of fate...

[Zedder]

'Twas tempted,


but I think that's really tempting the fickle finger of fate...

Indeed, the dog bowler knows that too well.

[Zedder]

This time of year those of us out on the rural rump have an extra what if to consider, "What if there has been cow shit dumped around the corner?"

Or a dog taking a dump mid corner...

[pritch]

1. But if riding schools were so good why is it not a prerequisite to go to one when going for a motorcycle license?

2. I have read that going to one can create overconfidence in riding ability.

3. I agree with them as teaching safe riding where the rider is in control but to suggest going to one to keep you safe from the screwups of others is just luck.

1. Simple, it's in the same 'too hard basket' as training car drivers properly.

2. Stop reading comics.

3. Briefly? Bollocks!