Go Pros create unsafe riders

[Akzle]

I was in a line of traffic the impact would have been at the point of where the middle yellow arrow is. .

so the vehicle behind you also rear ended you?

[Moi]

From what you have said I am still not sure if you were last vehicle crossing the bridge or if there were other vehicles following you across the bridge.

But that aside for the moment...

As for the vehicle that hit you - obviously the driver lacked observational skills because they appeared to fail to see the signs indicating that they were approaching a one lane bridge or the signs that indicated that north bound vehicles had priority on the bridge. They obviously failed to see you. They also failed in taking any form of evasive action before hitting you. [Some might say typical of many 4x4 drivers.]

Your response to this incident appears to be to buy a bigger vehicle than others on the road - that bodes well for cyclists and motorcyclists in the Canterbury region, let alone anyone driving a small or medium sized car - so that you'll be okay in any future crashes. What's called the "I'm OK, I'm fire proof" approach. However, you seem to have not taken any learning from this incident as in being more observant or considering "what could I do if...". Your response, as I said above, appears to be "buy a bigger vehicle".

If you had said that you are now more aware of vehicles approaching from the other direction when crossing one lane bridges and you position yourself, whether you're on a bike or in a car, to give yourself optimum view ahead and to give other road users best opportunity to see you - especially if the road curves to left or right at the end of the bridge, and that you consider "what could I do if" then I doubt if you'd get the flak that you do from others.

How can I put this, as RastusCat says "in an educational way"...

It seems, to me, that you have either not learnt any thing from the crashes you have had or have adopted the principle that "as I was not at fault then I must have been doing the right thing".

As for not learning unless you have experienced a crash... No! I have the ability to learn vicariously.

[Luckylegs]

So thats where you get your theory from that you can always swerve or brake when shit happens because your science teacher told you it happens in slow motion? As for your confusion about braking and swerving it depends on how far you are away from the shit when it happens the further away you are the more likley you will be able to brake but closer you may have to swerve as you would not have enough stopping distance. Going to a riding school will teach you about that. I consider those like yourself equally as thick if you think I am.

No my science teacher taught me about the bodies reaction to shit, like adrenalin, blood to vital organs, all those things that make oh shit moments seem like theyve slowed down.

as for my theory about wether you can brake or swerve - yes i asert theres always time to apply the brakes. What you still didnt answer was wether youve been arguing theres no time to brake, or no time to stop. Answer it, you might find i dont disagree with you as entirely as you might think (god forbid)

Oh bt dubs - how do you reckon threres time for "your life to flash in front of your eyes" - perhaps in your case its quick cos it really only consists of born, dropped on head as an infant, crash.

[flashg]

213 posts and you lot still think you can reason with Cassina the TROLL. Good on ya.

[Luckylegs]

213 posts and you lot still think you can reason with Cassina the TROLL. Good on ya.

There was no time to brake or swerve in the crashes I was in otherwise I I would have attempted to do so. There has always been time for you and others to brake or swerve as you have been lucky in being far enough away to do so. Luck can run out though then you will be agreeing with me that shit can happen faster than you can brake or swerve after all. Let's not forget the case of the motorbike racer a month back who did not get time to brake or swerve either. The fact he was on a push bike is irrelevant although some on here feel the pushbike was at fault.

Ok - we dont agree in the slightest then. I think you should always be able to start to brake. Id argue with you about mr hayden, but... as per the quote above yours, i need some cassina free time, and..... LAMB KEBABS FOR DINNER

[Woodman]

They have poor ability in fully reading my posts because have you not noticed I have to repeat the same reply to numerous times. Maybe the fact they are not that literate has something to do with why the posts have gone on for so long. Have you ever had a crash yourself through no fault of your own that happened too quickly to brake or swerve?

Um all no fault crashes happen because there is no time to brake or swerve.

[nzspokes]

213 posts and you lot still think you can reason with Cassina the TROLL. Good on ya.

The concern is somebody listens to her and they get hurt.

[GazzaH]

The concern is somebody listens to her and they get hurt.

Thanks mum, but I grew up a long time ago when I learnt think for myself.

[flashg]

They have poor ability in fully reading my posts because have you not noticed I have to repeat the same reply to numerous times. Maybe the fact they are not that literate has something to do with why the posts have gone on for so long. Have you ever had a crash yourself through no fault of your own that happened too quickly to brake or swerve?

I have crashed once on the road. Going down the north side of the "hope saddle" on the way to Nelson. Diesel spillage for 200 odd metres and I low sided on one sharp left hand corner, at relatively slow speed came to a halt on my side of the road, uninjured, minor damage to the bike (but costly). I saw the diesel just as I was tipping into the corner.
There were two empty lanes coming the other way, with double yellow lines. I could have stood the bike up and crossed the yellows briefly and come back again. I was on an R1, I also could have changed my line slightly (and ridden beside the spillage) and the outcome may have been different. But I didn't, and down I went.
The conditions changed and I got caught out, my fault

[rastuscat]

All this angst has left me wishing I hadn't started this whole mess.

Forgive me, fellow moto folk.

[Moi]

All this angst has left me wishing I hadn't started this whole mess.

Forgive me, fellow moto folk.

Nothing to forgive.


If discussion gives people food for thought, then all good.


Just worried in case someone turns up on one of your Ride4Ever courses - would you forgive us?

[Luckylegs]

Ever come off yourself as a result of someone else's screwup and you have had no time to brake or swerve?

Why dont you start a poll?

[Akzle]

No I was not rear ended.

so in this "line of traffic"... the car in front didn't hit anything. the car behind didn't hit anything.

YOU managed a head on collision in such a manner as to injure yourself and god knows what other soulless dogs...

you are fucking astounding.

[flashg]

If you were cornering slower you may have seen the spill sooner and be able to swerve around it. Speed can be an enemy or friend when shit happens but mostly it's an enemy.

Did you read a bit where I said I was going fast ? I Don't remember writing it.

[flashg]

I did not read anything where you said you were going slow either but slowing down as others have said about my crashes may have given you a better chance of seeing the spill early and avoid it.

I low sided at one sharp left hander at a relatively slow speed and slid about two metres.
Thats what I said.
You really need to learn to remember what you read, and stop making shit up.