Go Pros create unsafe riders

[KawasakiKid]

There was no time to brake or swerve in the crashes I was in otherwise I I would have attempted to do so. There has always been time for you and others to brake or swerve as you have been lucky in being far enough away to do so. Luck can run out though then you will be agreeing with me that shit can happen faster than you can brake or swerve after all. Let's not forget the case of the motorbike racer a month back who did not get time to brake or swerve either. The fact he was on a push bike is irrelevant although some on here feel the pushbike was at fault.

Please do not sully the memory of Nicky Hayden by bringing him into your ridiculous ramblings. He deserves better, loved by many. RIP Nicky

[KawasakiKid]

The point I was trying to make was that shit can happen to anyone even pro racers. Sorry you don't get it. Not many do on this site.

I have been around racing all my life, I 'get it' . And I have buried far too many friends. You probably know nothing of the accident yet you bring it for reference, an ignorant choice. You need to realise your opinions are yours alone and they are not wise. 'People like you' are a huge problem with the motorcycling world. You should take some advice from others on this forum, go to a good training course and hear what a good teacher has to say and the reasons behind the thoughts

[nzspokes]

Buying a 4wd does give me the least chance of being injured or killed

Again wrong.

[rastuscat]

Ever come off yourself as a result of someone else's screwup and you have had no time to brake or swerve?

No. My bins have all been my own fault.

[Honest Andy]

No. My bins have all been my own fault.

+1

OK My "Short story": Travelling on motorway in very low speed traffic I stopped behind a stationary car and was immediately hit from behind by another car.

Two Points:
1. the car behind me was absolutely at fault, no question, no argument. BUT KEEP READING CASSINNA!!!!!
2. I may have avoided that crash by leaving a bigger following distance and taking longer to slow down, giving the car behind more time to notice that the traffic had stopped.

It's a subtle difference, but it's an example of how my riding could have changed the outcome.

(true story by the way. Wrote off my shiny XZ400 , anyone remember those? They got bad reviews but I really enjoyed it after a cb125T...)

[Honest Andy]

I wondered if my story might be wasted... oh well. Majority rules and you're in a party of one I'm afraid. I wish you all the best in your ongoing efforts to create the perfect crash. I'm going to carry on perfecting 'not crashing', and in fact may take up a suggestion to do a Masters in 'not crashing', I like that idea better than any of yours.

[ellipsis]

But if...

...you had half a brain cell it would still be very lonely...

[T.W.R]

I don't disagree with what you are saying however, if I understand correctly, the 6R test is a "pass/fail" assessment. Pass/fail assessments are common within education and learning situations as they are relatively easy to administer - you either pass or fail each component and there will be a point at which you pass or fail depending on how many components you pass or fail. And the assessment/test is seen to stand alone from any prior instruction or possible follow-up instruction.

But, the pass/fail method has a major downfall and that is that it is a "snap shot" of performance on a particular day at a particular time. There can be no influence from either prior experience of the candidate or likely performance after the event. This means that if Dick turns up for his 6R test and is a total dick on the road on the way there but, Dick performs the assessment tasks faultlessly under test conditions then the assessor has no valid reason to fail Dick.

Pass/fail assessment is a form of summative assessment - sums up learning in a one shot assessment... remember School Certificate before you could pass some and not some.

A more appropriate form of assessment, in my opinion, would be a formative/ipsative assessment where the candidate is assessed over a number of assessments of a period of time with suitable feedback/feedforward and that the assessor is looking for improvement in both areas identified for improvement and areas which have already shown skill or achievement. However, that would require a huge rethink about how NZ teaches and tests people's ability to either ride or drive.

You're just like MVpeanut and missed the point as well and focused on the wrong thing both instances happened prior not during tests and as a courtesy to a pupil who arrives at a course saying they've encountered & have filmed incidents wouldn't it be easy to just take 5mins, view what had been recorded and advise options on how to improve or avoid possible future events. And if an incident was worthy of further discussion use the footage in front of the class as a educational tool etc

The pass/fail snapshot method is wrong...as it is easily manipulated and definitely not a true indication of level of learning or understanding. Not just with the 6R either....shit I've seen & ridden with people who have been certified motorcycle instructors and they may have the cert but in the real world couldn't ride a hot knife into butter.

[Honest Andy]

Sitting higher up like on a motorbike in a 4WD improves your periferal vision too giving you a better chance to avoid the screw ups of others.

Horray! Yes yes yes, avoiding the screw ups of others! So you see it is possible! Finally through sheer weight of numbers (iq numbers mainly) we've managed to plant a tiny seed. Long may it grow and be nurtured by this caring community of motorcyclists

(and please please please learn to ride better before you come anywhere near me...)

[Maha]

Had a guy on a course today wearing his Go Pro on his helmet.

He tells me he has been cut off 3 times this week, and he's sick of it, so he's got a Go Pro. Like, that'll make a difference.

Out on the course today a guy U-turned across our path. Our man could have backed off and avoided it by miles, but he insisted on riding close to the U-turner and filming it, complete with expletives.

So, from what I can see, using that Go Pro has caused him to ride like a dick.

Am I wrong?

No, your summation about this guy seems correct.

Spoke to guy once that filmed every time he rode. His reason for doing this was for those day when he didn't go out, so he could sit inside and (stroke himself) watch his previous awesome skills and road craft.
My summation of that guy is also correct, anyone who has rainbow coloured knee sliders is

[Moi]

You're just like MVpeanut and missed the point as well and focused on the wrong thing both instances happened prior not during tests and as a courtesy to a pupil who arrives at a course saying they've encountered & have filmed incidents wouldn't it be easy to just take 5mins, view what had been recorded and advise options on how to improve or avoid possible future events. And if an incident was worthy of further discussion use the footage in front of the class as a educational tool etc

The pass/fail snapshot method is wrong...as it is easily manipulated and definitely not a true indication of level of learning or understanding. Not just with the 6R either....shit I've seen & ridden with people who have been certified motorcycle instructors and they may have the cert but in the real world couldn't ride a hot knife into butter.

Sorry, I didn't miss the point.

Your statement that I didn't understand what was said is in error - I believe I did.

You suggested that RastusCat should have coached the rider about his riding - striking while the iron's hot - and I believe RastusCat did do so from what he wrote. You also seemed to suggest that RastusCat should have done that before the test as well, and I suspect from what RastusCat wrote he did. He appeared to did so after the test.

During the test he can't. It would invalidate the test, it is contrary to assessment procedure. There can be no coaching during a test.

As for the pass/fail snapshot being wrong for the reasons you have given - manipulation and not a true indication of skill - I would wholeheartedly agree which is why I suggested a different approach to assessing rider/driver skill.

[T.W.R]

Your not saying that some instructors ride as badly as some say I do? You may have riding faults yourself for all you know. A lot of motorcyclists like to have egos especially on this site and those that say they can avoid anyone who screws up no matter how close they are, really do make me laugh with how deluded they are.

Fuck off you queer cunt
You've given everyone here and the poor buggers who visit enough of your deluded tripe to have a pretty clear picture of your ability, you haven't even got a clear grasp on the basic fundamentals let alone enough capability to try clutching at making a comparison between yourself and an instructor
I've stated in other threads about how I ride & don't hide behind glossed up bullshit stories I ride my ride, I'm an out & out law breaker, I ride quick and have had accidents. I've got plenty of faults in my riding I'm fully aware of that......you show me someone who hasn't and if they say they're perfect...bullshit! they're blowing hot air out a hole in their head....
Then we come to your rainbow coloured world unfortunately for you you've got two holes in your head & the things that emanate from them is just a drone created by the vortex between your ears.
I'd love to strike you on the road sometime

[T.W.R]

Sorry, I didn't miss the point.

Your statement that I didn't understand what was said is in error - I believe I did.

You suggested that RastusCat should have coached the rider about his riding - striking while the iron's hot - and I believe RastusCat did do so from what he wrote. You also seemed to suggest that RastusCat should have done that before the test as well, and I suspect from what RastusCat wrote he did. He appeared to did so after the test.

During the test he can't. It would invalidate the test, it is contrary to assessment procedure. There can be no coaching during a test.

As for the pass/fail snapshot being wrong for the reasons you have given - manipulation and not a true indication of skill - I would wholeheartedly agree which is why I suggested a different approach to assessing rider/driver skill.

You need to go specsavers
The only suggestion put forward was in that sort of event the opportunity is there for educating, nothing directly aimed at Rastus at any time.


And fucking lay off the referring back to the test FFS

[Moi]

You need to go specsavers
The only suggestion put forward was in that sort of event the opportunity is there for educating, nothing directly aimed at Rastus at any time.

And fucking lay off the referring back to the test FFS

If you go back and re-read from the beginning you will see that I did ask if Rastus had taken the opportunity to discuss the rider's "near misses" both before the course and during the course and what was the rider's response. I agree that if such opportunities present themselves then they are well worth grabbing and using and discussing. I have absolutely no reason to criticise Rastus and I have not do so.


What's the issue about discussing the test?



BTW, I will choose my own optician, thank you very much!

[T.W.R]

If you go back and re-read from the beginning you will see that I did ask if Rastus had taken the opportunity to discuss the rider's "near misses" both before the course and during the course and what was the rider's response. I agree that if such opportunities present themselves then they are well worth grabbing and using and discussing. I have absolutely no reason to criticise Rastus and I have not do so.


What's the issue about discussing the test?



BTW, I will choose my own optician, thank you very much!

have another look at your last post you state that I'm suggesting Rastus should've done x.....x & suggest Rastus should've done X
Where I chimed in I said the use of discretion on whether one uses what the pupil has caught on film as a educational tool whether it be help them more readily identify what they're missing to put themselves in a close-call situation with others or rectify an issue they're creating of their own accord. You do realise you're dealing with peoples lives? If so then surely correcting issues or even adding the smallest bit of helpful insight or slightest bit of extra education is worth it.....one wee piece may be the difference between years of enjoyment or becoming a statistic.

If a camera catches something good or bad its a bit of information others can use. There's plenty of halfwits out there that think they'll shine in glory posting their exploits on youtube...they get plenty of views for all reasons....look at the ones posted here recently they soon get picked apart with surgical dissection. In a learning environment if a pupil has a camera & does mention incidents caught....have a look, point out errors, educate...simple. Remember people don't all learn by the same means so the more tools available the better the chance of educating more thoroughly.

The test is a side issue and wasn't relevant to was being said apart from being misinterpreted into the text of the post.

Time to making a booking then